Cont: Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10.

[Andy_Ross]

The Tories are stealing public money via phoney contracts for hundreds of millions of pounds to phoney companies set up by their friends, families and donors. This is what kleptocracy looks like and it's 4 years until the next election.

 

[lomiller]

That's possible. But keep in mind his base is not 45% of the electorate, it's more like 20-25% of the electorate, with another 20% or so who go along with the charade in order to get certain things they want done.

I don’t really see it that way. There is a core base who think crazy right wing polices are working and another core base who can see these ridiculous polies are not working and think that if you change the leader but keep all the crazy policies they will suddenly start to work. Neither group is ever going to vote for anyone else no matter how incompetent and repugnant “their side” is, because “the other side is worse”. The “other side is worse” because they oppose the crazy, unworkably and offensive polices.

The UK has the same problem. Eg May legitimately tried her best to take the pile of ***** that was Brexit and negotiate a real agreement around it. This failed because there is no version of Brexit that is as good for the UK as remaining in the EU but instead of recognizing the basic policy was flawed Conservatives doubled down and put in a new leader who promised even stricter adherence to eh stupid policy idea. When BJ fails, they will blame him for “not doing it right” and find someone as bad or worse to pursue the same doomed polices.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Eg May legitimately tried her best to take the pile of ***** that was Brexit and negotiate a real agreement around it.

That's quite a kind way of putting it. She insisted on pushing for a hardline Brexit, when that isn't what people voted for at all.

 

[The Don]

That's quite a kind way of putting it. She insisted on pushing for a hardline Brexit, when that isn't what people voted for at all.

Exactly, EEA membership would have been so much less damaging.

Indeed only a no-deal would have been more damaging - but we're getting that anyway

 

[Darat]

Exactly, EEA membership would have been so much less damaging.



Indeed only a no-deal would have been more damaging - but we're getting that anyway

Hey give them a chance. I'm sure they will be able to end up with something that is worse than a no deal.....

 

[The Don]

Hey give them a chance. I'm sure they will be able to end up with something that is worse than a no deal.....

Well that would be the US trade deal as envisaged by President Trump

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

There's definitely a part of me curious to see what a trade deal negotiated by Trump and Johnson would actually look like. So please, universe if you're listening, if we absolutely must have such a deal, let Johnson and Trump co-author the actual text personally, and then let us all read it.

I expect determining by the language which of the two wrote which bit would be as difficult as determining by Sue Storm's haircut whether a particular scene in Josh Trank's Fan4stic was a re-shoot or not.

 

[catsmate]

The Tories are stealing public money via phoney contracts for hundreds of millions of pounds to phoney companies set up by their friends, families and donors. This is what kleptocracy looks like and it's 4 years until the next election.

But don't worry, you're going to get Brexit inflicted on you in the most painful and stupid way imaginable.

 

[catsmate]

Where are all the Brexiteers? Shouldn't they be here telling us how wonderful Brexit will be?

 

[Trebuchet]

The Tories are stealing public money via phoney contracts for hundreds of millions of pounds to phoney companies set up by their friends, families and donors. This is what kleptocracy looks like and it's 4 years until the next election.

Welcome to the USA under Trump. At least we've only got five months.

 

[KDLarsen]

I don’t really see it that way. There is a core base who think crazy right wing polices are working and another core base who can see these ridiculous polies are not working and think that if you change the leader but keep all the crazy policies they will suddenly start to work. Neither group is ever going to vote for anyone else no matter how incompetent and repugnant “their side” is, because “the other side is worse”. The “other side is worse” because they oppose the crazy, unworkably and offensive polices.

The UK has the same problem. Eg May legitimately tried her best to take the pile of ***** that was Brexit and negotiate a real agreement around it. This failed because there is no version of Brexit that is as good for the UK as remaining in the EU but instead of recognizing the basic policy was flawed Conservatives doubled down and put in a new leader who promised even stricter adherence to eh stupid policy idea. When BJ fails, they will blame him for “not doing it right” and find someone as bad or worse to pursue the same doomed polices.

To be fair, May didn't exactly help herself by unilaterally adding all those red lines, that made it near impossible to reach any kind of agreement with the EU, other than a hard brexit.

Johnson ran for leadership on a promise of using his charm and force of personality to negotiate an even better agreement for the UK, while maintaining the same red lines. I'm not convinced the EU, having stated for so long that they were not going to reopen negotiations, then allowed for some small tweaks, which Johnson then sold as proof that the EU would buckle under pressure.

 

[The Don]

Welcome to the USA under Trump. At least we've only got five months.

Or 4 years 5 months.

Or 12 years 5 months if Ivanka successfully picks up where Dad left off

 

[Mr Fied]

Conservative Home "The Voice of Conservatism" has published a piece by darren grimes on energy production 'post brexit'

He says

Shall I slap him or does someone else want that pleasure?


https://www.conservativehome.com/th...nd-wealth-by-mining-it-in-the-north-east.html

And in the comments section, this gem:

A sensible article, alas it will fall on deaf ears, primarily because we have a left-wing, scientifically-illiterate government that rather than scrapping the climate change act 2008, they instead made it even worse by adding net zero by 2050 - the most radical law ever passed by a UK government, which has guaranteed mass blackouts and economic destitution within the next 3 decades, and is a law no genuine conservative could ever support, just a pity the incompetent fool sitting in Downing Street isn't an actual conservative.

Yeah, those namby pamby lefties, get some proper right wing Tories in to sort the country out.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Peter Hitchens published an article a few days ago saying basically the same - that the left control every stratum of power. It's the "Deep State" given a new hat.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Minette Batters of the National Farmers Union says For Boris Johnson "to sign up to a trade deal which results in opening our ports, shelves & fridges to food which would be illegal to produce here would not only be morally bankrupt, it would be the work of the insane."

 

[The Don]

Minette Batters of the National Farmers Union says For Boris Johnson "to sign up to a trade deal which results in opening our ports, shelves & fridges to food which would be illegal to produce here would not only be morally bankrupt, it would be the work of the insane."

And yet the farmers voted en-masse for Brexit. I'm finding it difficult to drum up too much sympathy.

OTOH I am very concerned about food standards but I suppose hundreds of thousands of extra cases of food poisoning and a thousand extra deaths a year is a price worth paying for the blue passports it turns out we could have had all along if we were that bothered about it

I suppose the large farming companies will be bought off with generous subsidies and the small farms will just go out of business making second homes so much cheaper for the urban wealth creators

 

[Andy_Ross]

Farmer's are overwhelmingly Tory.
they were lied to by the party they support and fell for it.

 

[Lothian]

Farmer's are overwhelmingly Tory.
they were lied to by the party they support and fell for it.

I am not sure they bought the lies rather they bought the jingoism of the leave campaign and imagined that rules would be changed to benefit them without putting any thought into how the world and trade deals work or the weak position the UK would be in.
Perhaps more a case of not thinking rather than believing what was put out. I have a farmer friend who sends his sheep to the EU who voted leave and is now facing 30%+ tariffs on a no deal WTO brexit. Doh!

 

[Garrison]

Conservative Home "The Voice of Conservatism" has published a piece by darren grimes on energy production 'post brexit'

He says

Shall I slap him or does someone else want that pleasure?


https://www.conservativehome.com/th...nd-wealth-by-mining-it-in-the-north-east.html

And he's clearly not aware that recently we haven't needed to use coal for electricity generation.

 

[Mr Fied]

And he's clearly not aware that recently we haven't needed to use coal for electricity generation.

But if we all went back to using coal there would be no need to re-open schools, the kids could all be employed up chimneys.

Think of the extra income tax it would generate.