Anarchy in Seattle--Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

[Dave Rogers]

IIt's extraordinarily easy to not be murdered by police and, yes, this includes people of color.

This is a grossly misleading statement. You could just as well say that, as about 98% of people with Covid-19 survive, it's therefore relatively easy to survive the disease. But "easy" and "hard" are not relevant concepts to a situation over which you have little or no control. It's extraordinarily common to not be murdered by police; however, once the police have started escalating a previously peaceful situation, it can become quite impossible not to be murdered by them.

Dave

 

[catsmate]

Yes, they are asking white people to give black people money.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/protester-in-seattles-chaz-demands-white-people-give-out-cash/

Got a real source for that claim, rather than the Murdoch rag?

 

[abaddon]

I don't know...the word "infinitesimal" comes to mind.

Really. Some of the cases you posted I am familiar with. I even know a few you've not yet mentioned. Let's say we come up with fifty of them. The population of the US is still 300+ million.

So you are claiming that none of it matters because it was only a few ******* that were killed and there are plenty more where they came from.

Take a long hard look at who and what you are.

 

[William Parcher]

472 people shot by police so far in 2020.

Police killed 1004 people in 2019. Black people were 24% of those killed despite being only 13% of the population.

Does this mean that 76% of the people who were killed by police were not black?

 

[Arcade22]

472 people shot by police so far in 2020.

Police killed 1004 people in 2019. Black people were 24% of those killed despite being only 13% of the population.

I guess they should start killing white people more often then.

 

[William Parcher]

I guess they should start killing white people more often then.

In order to stop the rioting or somehow appease the BLM Movement?

 

[Leftus]

Yeah there have been some idiots looting and vandalizing and it's shameful. They are a small minority the news media likes to glom on to. As for this list of demands or that list, whether it is an autonomous zone or an occupy protest, and the stupid repeating phrase "defund the police", those are minor hiccoughs.

So you don't watch the media but you're sure there's equivalency on both sides?

So it's only the right wing media that gloms on to these small minorities of vandals?

Just because I don't watch MSNBC or CNN, doesn't mean I'm not familiar with their content. MSNBC wants to be Fox news, but lacks the skill. CNN wants to be pure news, but also lacks the skill to keep opinion out of reporting.

I can't point to the exact time or day it happened, but the news went from solid reporting of facts, to slightly veiled opinion pieces years ago. In the early 90's NBC was rigging trucks to blow up to get eyeballs. I don't need to keep touching fire to know it is hot.

And as bad as that is, social media is the worse. Saw a quick video on an "influencer" showing up to "clean up" after a riot. Borrowed a drill, faked some work, returned the drill, jumped back into her Mercedes and drove away. The only worthwhile twitter accounts are WeRateDogs and Thoughtsofdog.

I tend to watch local reporting, mostly in print, and avoid the cesspool that are the national channels. Hell, the weather channel has devolved from a place where you can get local and national weather information into mostly propaganda. Unwatchable. I'll stick to my local climatologist for the daily forecast.

 

[crescent]

People may know of the plan for out-of-state patriots to “retake” Seattle from its residents on July 4th

While the event page dubiously calls for a peaceful conquest of the city, organizers and attendees are unambiguous about their violent intentions

Twitter thread documenting threats towards CHAZ/CHOP. Lots of rumors flying around about intentions to violently "retake" the area on July 4.

There are some seriously unhinged people out there.

 

[Arcade22]

People may know of the plan for out-of-state patriots to “retake” Seattle from its residents on July 4th

While the event page dubiously calls for a peaceful conquest of the city, organizers and attendees are unambiguous about their violent intentions

Twitter thread documenting threats towards CHAZ/CHOP. Lots of rumors flying around about intentions to violently "retake" the area on July 4.

There are some seriously unhinged people out there.

Sounds like a good thing for cops to handle.

 

[Distracted1]

Sounds like a good thing for cops to handle.

No, "unhinged" people need to be dealt with by Social Workers. Get with the program!!

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Sounds like a good thing for cops to handle.

Given the history of local cops coordinating with right wing street fighters in Seattle and Portland in the past, there involvement may not be helpful anyway.

 

[Mader Levap]

(...)

Every time I see someone declaring "both side are same reee", I see someone from side that bears most if not all of blame and trying to shift/dilute it. Nice try.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Every time I see someone declaring "both side are same reee", I see someone from side that bears most if not all of blame and trying to shift/dilute it. Nice try.

That's pretty much an evergreen statement though.

 

[catsmate]

Are you saying, then, that non-violent protesting cannot possibly effect change? That the very act of protesting without damaging anything, is something easily ignored and brushed aside by those in power?

It can, but other methods, up to an including violence, are often more effective and faster.

 

[Leftus]

Every time I see someone declaring "both side are same reee", I see someone from side that bears most if not all of blame and trying to shift/dilute it. Nice try.

I didn't take a side. All I said was that I don't know and I'm perfectly fine with letting things work out organically without any intervention. The fact I acknowledge both sides are willing to lie about their circumstances to gain favor shouldn't be taken as a sign that I favor one side over another. I'm totally agnostic on this issue. I don't live there, it has no real impact on me, so I really don't give a ****.

I came into it to make a coffee joke. Then added some thoughts to keep it on topic. If you trust your favorite media to tell you the unvarnished truth, that's on you. But why is it your favorite? Does it conform to your already existing world view? How is that not a problem. Most of fox news consumers are there because it fits into their world view. Same with MSNBC and CNN. It's all commentary pretending to be news. And I see that as the problem. So I don't watch.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

OMG! Jim Jordan and Chabot (another GOP rep) are claiming Seattle is the only place in the country that has foregone law and order.

Now they are claiming rapes are occurring there, along with race based extortion.

This thing has really become a focus of an incredible-fear mongering campaign for some Republicans.

 

[carlitos]

Jim Jordan is too stupid to wear his suit jacket on the floor of the Senate, and he just said "Chaz Warlords" out loud in public. Maybe that's his secret gay porn name.

 

[Stout]

Got a real source for that claim, rather than the Murdoch rag?

Is that some sort of attempt to disprove the content or is it just a bit of a whine about the platform hosting it ?

 

[EHocking]

Does this mean that 76% of the people who were killed by police were not black?

What it means is that a disproportionate number of non-white black people are being killed by police.

If you looked at the link, you'd see that 72% of those killed are non-white.
Yet they only make up 27% of the US population.

ETA: OK, those numbers are not good. 106 of the records for 2020 don't identify "race", so number that we can be more sure of are;
White - 182 = 50%. % of US population - 73%
Black - 100 = 27%. % of US population - 12.7%

Still disproportionate

 

[Babbylonian]

Is that some sort of attempt to disprove the content or is it just a bit of a whine about the platform hosting it ?

The New York Post is a worse source than Fox News. It's not whinging to ask for a better source.