Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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Horatius said:
Every time election security comes up as a topic, Americans seem to say that having so many different systems protects the election from attack, but every time I hear a new detail about how Americans actually carry out their elections, I'm convinced even further that the complexity of your system does nothing but make it more vulnerable.
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"We don't worry about hackers here. Our code is so crappy not even we can make sense of it, how is anyone else going to find a critical bug?"
 
So true!

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JoeMorgue said:
And the counter is the same.

You don't have to swing Florida, you have to swing a couple of counties in Florida. And in those counties you don't have to swing the entire county, just a few precents.

The margins are insane here because of Gerrymandering and the EC.

And all of this, all of it, is ignoring the obvious weakspot that is the 538 totally unrestrained Electors.
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Sure, I think I agree with most of that. I do believe the complexity makes it harder to hack.

The EC is probably the biggest issue. We have over 500,000 elections, and only 1 isn't by popular vote.
 
Horatius said:
Every time election security comes up as a topic, Americans seem to say that having so many different systems protects the election from attack, but every time I hear a new detail about how Americans actually carry out their elections, I'm convinced even further that the complexity of your system does nothing but make it more vulnerable.

I have never once, in my life, ever worried about a Canadian election being undermined by stupid **** like what happens in the US. But I worry about the US more and more every day, it seems.
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Well America is full of Americans, not Canadians :)

To paraphrase Churchill, Americans will always do the right thing. After they try everything else first.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Assuming there is an election. My nighttime whisky thoughts are telling me stoking these protests is a great way to get everyone nice and infected with Covid just in time for it to blow up into a nation-shattering crisis in the fall, and then of course the election will need to be postponed until it's safe for people to vote. Actually planning that far ahead has not been a strength of the Trump administration so far, but I wouldn't put it past them to try pulling a stunt like that if the opportunity arises.
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I don’t think that Trump et al. want a big outbreak of Covid-19 in the Fall - he would prefer to be seen as the hero who cured it. But if there is a second wave of the disease, something I think has already begun, I am certain Trump will blame the demonstrations rather than the real reason, his urging of premature loosening of social isolation rules.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Nah, for 3rd world country you're doing fine.
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Thank you! But you are being too generous. We are only striving to become a third world country. We haven’t quite achieved it yet. But things look good so far.
 
Giordano said:
I don’t think that Trump et al. want a big outbreak of Covid-19 in the Fall - he would prefer to be seen as the hero who cured it. But if there is a second wave of the disease, something I think has already begun, I am certain Trump will blame the demonstrations rather than the real reason, his urging of premature loosening of social isolation rules.
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To be honest, I think the demonstrations might contribute to the spread of Covid-19. But:
- Trump is ineffective in stopping the demonstrations (instead he is contributing to them)
- Trump isn't using covid-19 as the reason he's giving to stopping the demonstrations, its always "law and order"
- Whatever effect the demonstrations have in spreading covid-19, it is dwarfed by the effect of relaxing social distancing rules
 
Segnosaur said:
By some measures, the U.S. isn't even considered a 'full democracy' anymore... its considered a 'flawed' democracy, behind such democratic heavyweights as... Norway, Sweeden, and Uruguay? and Costa Rica?

(Wikipedia)
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It never was actual democracy by design. Electoral College alone ensures that. Ironically enough, EC was created exactly to prevent someone like Trump.

If you asked any republican five years ago if EC should prevent someone that is *describe Trump*, you would get resounding "yes". Of course, now we always were at war with Oceania.
 
Trump Tweets

I am to happy announce that Navy Veteran, Michael White, who has been detained by Iran for 683 days, is on a Swiss plane that just left Iranian Airspace. We expect him to be home with his family in America very soon....

....I will never stop working to secure the release of all Americans held hostage overseas! Thank you Switzerland for your great assistance.
 
Meadmaker said:
That will only happen if they become confident that he will lose re-election. At that point, there will be a whole lot of born again Never Trumpers.

However, I do think that some people who were on the fence already have hardened their hearts against him, and some who were silently against him might grow publicly against him, but note that the people speaking out against him are mostly retired from political careers. I'll bet you won't see any condemnation of Trump from any Republican politician whose still faces a primary election.

I do think his reaction, not the killing itself, has hurt him politically., but will it be enough? His base will lap it up, but his base isn't big enough for him to win re-election.
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I agree. Nothing will change his base. Absolutely nothing. And no GOP candidate will speak out against him. Not even that slimy Sessions would say anything negative about Trump even while he was being attacked by that POS. I just hope that enough 2016 conflicted voters, including disgruntled Bernie Bros, will come to realize this country cannot take another four years of Trump.
 
dudalb said:
Winston has his faults..many of them..but cowardice was never one of them. and despite his flaws, he was the leader the UK needed in 1940.
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There's also a contrasting urine anecdote.

Churchill made it a point to urinate on the Western Wall, to humiliate a Nazi military structure he had overseen the destruction of.

Trump made it a point to pay hookers to urinate on a mattress because a black American president who was more competent than he is, slept in it. He didn't even do it himself, for some reason.
 
Cain said:
Trump can't even open an umbrella; he's not going to set up a shadow government.
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This is my one consolation from the whole experience. He's probably not even looting the treasury competently.

All those millions of dollars he's getting from foreign diplomats, laundered through Trump Hotel DC... a year from now his accountants will be saying, "Yeah, yeah, but... we were spending so much on advertising that all it did was slow down the bleeding a bit. We're still down a half billion, we're just paying interest now, we should really consider selling before we have to go Chapter 11."
 
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