Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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This is a post that I have struggled with. I don't know whether it is right or wrong. I have plenty of American colleagues and friends. There are indeed many American members on here who I like and respect. And would happily assist were I not thousands of miles away. Even those I have vehemently disagreed with in the past. I would not see even those go at need. Past arguments would be irrelevant.

Neverthless, While I wish harm on nobody, I am forming an opinion that perhaps it should all burn to the ground and rebuild from the ground up.

I don't much like it. But it seems inevitable. Good in the long term, perhaps.

In the short term you US folks best batten down the hatches.

Hopefully, it will not get that extreme.

But I am getting a little short on hope right this minute.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
He was refering specifically to the picture where he held it up as if it was Mao's little red book.
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I don't understand, why would that make a difference?
If by "holding it upside-down" they are talking about holding it from the bottom, he's doing that, yes. But it's not accurate. The string markers are clearly emanating from the bottom (as they should be) and the text on the spine is right-side-up.

abaddon said:
On the other side it says "The Holy Bible" in gold text. The moron is holding it backwards.
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There is no printing on the other (back) cover, either.
 
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Tero said:
There is nothing Trump can gain by being in anyway sympathetic to black lives. All his voters are white and a few odd people from India.
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Trump got a slightly higher percentage of Latinos than Romney. He also did comparatively better than Romney with Asians and Blacks. Without those voters, Trump loses the Electoral College.
 
Remember all those ******** countries Trump talked about. I bet they are rolling on the floor laughing at the one he has created.
 
Mader Levap said:
Oh, another boob thinking that if things gets really, really bad, everyone on both sides will just throw hands in air and say "oops, I just realized there are no clear lines, I guess we all will just go home".
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dudalb said:
It's going to be, if it happens, more like what happend in Northern Ireland, no major battles, just constant guerilla warfare.And as for sides it's pretty obvious left against right.
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Excellent replies, both of you. If the US enters an extended period of violent unrest, it will not be like the Civil War from of 1861-1865, but as dudalb said, more like Troubles. With a whole bunch of factions fighting for different reasons and different goals.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Remember all those ******** countries Trump talked about. I bet they are rolling on the floor laughing at the one he has created.
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CHina is having a field day over this.
Granted, China's record on human rights is still much worse then the US's, but the US has lost it's moral standing under Donnie.
 
abaddon said:
OK.

This is a post that I have struggled with. I don't know whether it is right or wrong. I have plenty of American colleagues and friends. There are indeed many American members on here who I like and respect. And would happily assist were I not thousands of miles away. Even those I have vehemently disagreed with in the past. I would not see even those go at need. Past arguments would be irrelevant.

Neverthless, While I wish harm on nobody, I am forming an opinion that perhaps it should all burn to the ground and rebuild from the ground up.

I don't much like it. But it seems inevitable. Good in the long term, perhaps.

In the short term you US folks best batten down the hatches.

Hopefully, it will not get that extreme.

But I am getting a little short on hope right this minute.
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You may be right. These protests speak volumes about America's blind spot when it comes to police brutality, racial injustice and a general race blind distrust of authority. These upheavals have been happening periodically for many decades when an act of injustice or brutality happen but nothings been done about it. It may take revolutionary action before things will change.

Maybe the protest and riots will be the spark that leads to real change. Bad as it sounds maybe it will take half the country being burned down before our leadership actually wake up from their sleep like state and realize this problem requires real legislative action and not just empty platitudes (not to mention shining a light on broader, long standing inequality).
 
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Blue Mountain said:
Excellent replies, both of you. If the US enters an extended period of violent unrest, it will not be like the Civil War from of 1861-1865, but as dudalb said, more like Troubles. With a whole bunch of factions fighting for different reasons and different goals.
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I think Yugoslavia in World War 2 would be another good example.
 
Juniversal said:
You may be right. These protests speak volumes about America's blind spot when it comes to police brutality, racial injustice and a general race blind distrust of authority. These upheavals have been happening periodically for many decades when an act of injustice or brutality happen but nothings been done about it. It may take revolutionary action before things will change.

Maybe the protest and riots will be the spark that leads to real change. Bad as it sounds maybe it will take half the country being burned down before our leadership actually wake up from their sleep like state and realize this problem requires real legislative action and not just empty platitudes (not to mention shining a light on broader, long standing inequality).
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I think it is the worst domestic crisis the US has faced since 1860. It's worse then the Sixties, where the basic rfreedoms In the US where, for all the chaos, never really in serious threat.
 
abaddon said:
OK.

This is a post that I have struggled with. I don't know whether it is right or wrong. I have plenty of American colleagues and friends. There are indeed many American members on here who I like and respect. And would happily assist were I not thousands of miles away. Even those I have vehemently disagreed with in the past. I would not see even those go at need. Past arguments would be irrelevant.

Neverthless, While I wish harm on nobody, I am forming an opinion that perhaps it should all burn to the ground and rebuild from the ground up.

I don't much like it. But it seems inevitable. Good in the long term, perhaps.

In the short term you US folks best batten down the hatches.

Hopefully, it will not get that extreme.

But I am getting a little short on hope right this minute.
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What I am concerned about is the left becoming as authoratarian and dictorial as the right.
Fact is, the militant left, despite the rehtoric, has as little respect for democracy and individual rights as the militant right. Both are willing to sacrifce those on the alter of ideology.
That on the news networks I have been seing some of the protest leaders pretty much spouting neo Marxist rhetoric is not comforitng.
 
SezMe said:
That ghoul Miller is probably whispering in Trump's ear: Sir, we can't hold elections with so many protesters in the streets.
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November electoin are cancelles,then the time for resoned debate and lawful protest is over, the time to grab a rifle has come.
 
SezMe said:
Reading your post, I realized that "Republican" and "conservative" are often used interchangeably. Maybe they were at one time but not any longer. Trump is not a conservative nor is he, really, anything. He's rudderless. But the policies he pushes do get approval from so-called conservatives but they are but a faint echo of what conservative used to mean.

Take trade for example. Traditionally conservatives were advocates of trade pacts if for no other reason than it made a few oligarchs millions. But Trump has been a disaster on trade.

Or consider the Senate. Once called the world's great deliberative body, it has been horribly stained by the actions of McConnell and others. All too many Republican senators hew to the party-line (read Trump) over clear alternatives that would benefit the whole country. Would a conservative, interested in preserving Senate traditions that have served the country for 200+ years have gone along with the Garland fiasco? Gone along with the ****-show that was the impeachment trial? I think not.

The country needs a principled, conservative political party. The GOP has ceased to serve in the role. Thus, I think a distinction needs to be made between "conservative" and "Republican" in light of the fact that they are years - if not decades - away from being synonymous.
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Have you read George Will's column yesterday, where he called not just for Trump to be defeated in November, but for the GOP to be totally routed ./
That is just freaking amazing, for one of America's foremost conservative writers to say the GOP as it currently is is beyond redemption and needs to be burned to the ground.
One commentaror said it reminded him of Ras Al Ghul's "Gotham must burn" speech in "Batman Begins".
 
Trebuchet said:
Oh, that's SO much better!
The Episcopal Church should file criminal charges against Trump and Co for trespassing.
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I keep on thinking Trump might want to make another Thomas Becket of the Bisshop of DC.
"WHo will rid me of this troublesome prelate?'
 
Trump obession with the term "Domination" in his recent tweets just provides even more proof that man basically want to be a dictator.
 
dudalb said:
What I am concerned about is the left becoming as authoratarian and dictorial as the right.
Fact is, the militant left, despite the rehtoric, has as little respect for democracy and individual rights as the militant right. Both are willing to sacrifce those on the alter of ideology.
That on the news networks I have been seing some of the protest leaders pretty much spouting neo Marxist rhetoric is not comforitng.
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Nothing new. Revolutionaries are typically on the fringes of their respective end of the political spectrum. Martin Luther King was a communist. Malcolm X was a fringe nationalist. This doesn't necessarily speak to the future of our political leadership.

ETA: I should say MLK was communist adjacent but certainly had favorable views towards socialism and marxism.
 
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