Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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I think history may record this as the start of the Second Amertican Civil War.

No. The USA has had major disturbances in my lifetime: the civil rights marches, Watts, Kent State shootings, and the Rodney King riots all come to mind. This is more wide-spread, but I seriously can't see this as the start of a civil war.

Direct question for you, duldab: if you believe a civil war is looming, who are the belligerents and where are the battlefields? That is, who is on side A and who is on side B, and where will battles be fought?
 
I have a different feeling this time. It was so staged. So obviously phony. Will it actually matter? Time will tell. I just think the "I'm going to use a church and a Bible as a prop" motif doesn't play well. I wish I could read the minds of Trump voters, or people who would consider voting for him, to see how this played.

It certainly didn't play well with the Episcopal Diocese!

Biden said about Trump holding up the bible, "I just wish he'd open it once in a while!"
 
HOMICIDE LIFE IN THE STREETS!

THE WIRE!

HILL STREET BLUES!

THE ROCKFORD FILES!

... what? Oh sorry I thought we were just yelling out the names of cop shows.

technically speaking, Rockford files is a PI show. (although if you talk about Magnum, the preferred term is Private Investigator)

;)
 
Direct question for you, duldab: if you believe a civil war is looming, who are the belligerents and where are the battlefields? That is, who is on side A and who is on side B, and where will battles be fought?

Oh, another boob thinking that if things gets really, really bad, everyone on both sides will just throw hands in air and say "oops, I just realized there are no clear lines, I guess we all will just go home".
 
Oh. My god.
That journalist I quoted,, Øverbye, caught something we all missed.

Trump held the Bible upside-down.
 
With so many other things about this photo op, it's going to sound odd to say that he did not do himself any favors by posing in front of an Episcopal church. Way too social justice-y for many evangelicals. I won't say most, because I don't know their hearts or even exactly what I mean by "evangelical."

I'm curious, given what Trump chose to work with, what any kind of slightly better optics would have been. I would think you'd want to hold the bible so that the title showed. I couldn't see anything on the cover, so that would be showing the spine, which he briefly tried to do.

But here we are talking about an awkward photo op. Which was maybe the point. He's not introspective enough to see it as awkward, but his handlers might have been. As long as it distracts people. He won't rehearse or take direction, so predictably it was AAF.
 
If you think this will matter you're fooling yourself. His followers are impervious to logic, decency, humanity, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT MAKES ONE HUMAN!!!

Go ahead and tell me that I'm dehumanizing them. They've already dehumanized themselves. They are pod people! They are P-zombies! They are animals! Actually, I take that back, I've seen animals show compassion and love.

They are fixated on one thing and one thing only, and that is the insane and irrational belief that Trump has been given a mission from God to save them! Trump can do ANYTHING and they will accept it!

There's no point in trying to read the minds of Trump voters. They don't have any.

I must disagree. Yes, it applies to the hard core Trump voters, the ones who really like him and think he has been an awesome President. This won't make a bit of difference to them.

And it probably shouldn't. It is, after all, just a photo-op. If they really think that the most important thing in the world is tax cuts (and the least important thing in the world is the national debt), or if they really think he did a great job handling the coronavirus, or....(insert rest of stupidity here)

then looking stupid holding a Bible in front of a church isn't going to change their minds.


On the other hand, if they think, "Trump is the lesser of two evils." things like this can have an effect. It moves him into a little bit more evil.
 
Oh. My god.
That journalist I quoted,, Øverbye, caught something we all missed.

Trump held the Bible upside-down.

I don't see any evidence of that. Although I do think most people carry books with the spine down instead of this way in #2.

But here are a couple more poses (each held for several seconds, so it's intentional and not just a quick screen grab)

1. "See??! It says Holy Bible right on it!"
2. "Here I am as if just setting out for Seminary class."
 

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I must disagree. Yes, it applies to the hard core Trump voters, the ones who really like him and think he has been an awesome President. This won't make a bit of difference to them.

And it probably shouldn't. It is, after all, just a photo-op. If they really think that the most important thing in the world is tax cuts (and the least important thing in the world is the national debt), or if they really think he did a great job handling the coronavirus, or....(insert rest of stupidity here)

then looking stupid holding a Bible in front of a church isn't going to change their minds.


On the other hand, if they think, "Trump is the lesser of two evils." things like this can have an effect. It moves him into a little bit more evil.

He gassed US citizens, including clergy, for a photo op. Next up, the phony goes to the John Paul II shrine for yet another round of photos where he stands there looking stupid, this time with his Stepford Wife. If this **** doesn't sway fence sitters, we're in for another four years of this dope.
 
How in the name of Zeus's butthole is Trump such a goddamn... well I almost said Rolling Dumpster Fire but if a Dumpster Fire's daughter brought home Trump as a date he'd disown her, that I'm sitting here nostalgic for the well spokeness and human compassion of goddamn Dubya...

"Laura and I are anguished by the brutal suffocation of George Floyd and disturbed by the injustice and fear that suffocate our country. Yet we have resisted the urge to speak out, because this is not the time for us to lecture. It is time for us to listen. It is time for America to examine our tragic failures – and as we do, we will also see some of our redeeming strengths.
It remains a shocking failure that many African Americans, especially young African American men, are harassed and threatened in their own country. It is a strength when protesters, protected by responsible law enforcement, march for a better future. This tragedy — in a long series of similar tragedies — raises a long overdue question: How do we end systemic racism in our society? The only way to see ourselves in a true light is to listen to the voices of so many who are hurting and grieving. Those who set out to silence those voices do not understand the meaning of America — or how it becomes a better place.

America’s greatest challenge has long been to unite people of very different backgrounds into a single nation of justice and opportunity. The doctrine and habits of racial superiority, which once nearly split our country, still threaten our Union. The answers to American problems are found by living up to American ideals — to the fundamental truth that all human beings are created equal and endowed by God with certain rights. We have often underestimated how radical that quest really is, and how our cherished principles challenge systems of intended or assumed injustice. The heroes of America — from Frederick Douglass, to Harriet Tubman, to Abraham Lincoln, to Martin Luther King, Jr. — are heroes of unity. Their calling has never been for the fainthearted. They often revealed the nation’s disturbing bigotry and exploitation — stains on our character sometimes difficult for the American majority to examine. We can only see the reality of America's need by seeing it through the eyes of the threatened, oppressed, and disenfranchised.

That is exactly where we now stand. Many doubt the justice of our country, and with good reason. Black people see the repeated violation of their rights without an urgent and adequate response from American institutions. We know that lasting justice will only come by peaceful means. Looting is not liberation, and destruction is not progress. But we also know that lasting peace in our communities requires truly equal justice. The rule of law ultimately depends on the fairness and legitimacy of the legal system. And achieving justice for all is the duty of all.

This will require a consistent, courageous, and creative effort. We serve our neighbors best when we try to understand their experience. We love our neighbors as ourselves when we treat them as equals, in both protection and compassion. There is a better way — the way of empathy, and shared commitment, and bold action, and a peace rooted in justice. I am confident that together, Americans will choose the better way."

- Former President George W. Bush
 
How in the name of Zeus's butthole is Trump such a goddamn... well I almost said Rolling Dumpster Fire but if a Dumpster Fire's daughter brought home Trump as a date he'd disown her, that I'm sitting here nostalgic for the well spokeness and human compassion of goddamn Dubya...

He's a RINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
No. The USA has had major disturbances in my lifetime: the civil rights marches, Watts, Kent State shootings, and the Rodney King riots all come to mind. This is more wide-spread, but I seriously can't see this as the start of a civil war.

Direct question for you, duldab: if you believe a civil war is looming, who are the belligerents and where are the battlefields? That is, who is on side A and who is on side B, and where will battles be fought?

It's going to be, if it happens, more like what happend in Northern Ireland, no major battles, just constant guerilla warfare.
And as for sides it's pretty obvious left against right.
 
You're talking about the translation commissioned by a rich gay guy to push his brand of Christianity, right?

The King James Only movement is bizarre even by Fundy Christian standards.
The KJV is a absolute masterpiece of the English Laguage..ranks with Shakespeare there....but it pretty badly flawed as a translation.particulary the Hebrew Scriptures. We simply now a lot more about Ancient Hebrew then they did in the 1600's.
 
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