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Cont: Biden for President? Pt 2

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The Great Zaganza said:
I do hope Biden picks Warren, because it would be such a strong signal that the Dems are fielding their A-team.
Warren can cover Biden on policy expertise and against the accusations of working for Wall Street.
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What I worry about with Warren is age. With Biden's age, a younger VP seems appropriate. Warren would be a good choice for Treasury if the Dems also take back the Senate.
 
wareyin said:
Not just falling, but in the words of Biden's people "we need to avoid her."
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After this week, it has to be Stacey Abrams. Muriel Bowser might have been a good choice but she's got baggage from a search without warrant policy she tried to push through.

Abrams is a lawyer but has never been a prosecutor so she's a great candidate to take on some sort of police reform effort.
 
A 538 VP chat made a good argument for Tammy Duckworth.


Rather than fuss over VP, I think what Biden needs to do right now is just step up and start Presidenting. The lardass in the chair is more concerned with his Twitter than people rioting in the street or dying of a bug, so someone's gotta do it. Imagine you're President Biden. What do you do? Do you hold a press conference to argue for civil order? Press Congress for legislation? Whatever it is, go and do that. Who's going to stop you? Just go do it.

He was nominated to be Responsible Grandpa, he ought to go be Mr. Responsible Grandpa President and show the public how it's done.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
I do hope Biden picks Warren, because it would be such a strong signal that the Dems are fielding their A-team.
Warren can cover Biden on policy expertise and against the accusations of working for Wall Street.
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The problem there is that the Repub governor of Massachusetts would appoint her successor. Can the Democrats afford to lose a Senate seat?
 
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Beelzebuddy said:
A 538 VP chat made a good argument for Tammy Duckworth.
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Whether it's valid or not, the Repubs would be all over the "natural born citizen" provision because she was born in Thailand. I'm sure she's a great person, but it would be a mistake to hand Trump an issue like that.
 
Bob001 said:
The problem there is that the Repub governor of Massachusetts would appoint her successor. Can the Democrats afford to lose a Senate seat?
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The Senate is pie-in-the-sky until 2022. Only a massive Blue Wave will flip it in November.
So let's focus on getting the White House, because if you don't get that, you won't get the Senate, either, and the takeover of the Judiciary will continue.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
So Klobuchar's star is falling in the VP consideration, right?

If these riots and anti-police sentiments continue, I can't see how having a DA that never prosecuted a single cop during her career (including our murderer of George Floyd on a previous shooting) is a good choice for the party.

May this be the death knell of "tough on crime" Democrats.
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Klobuchar did not decline to prosecute Chauvin.
The shooting occurred during Klobuchar’s tenure as Hennepin County attorney, but the case didn’t go before a grand jury until after she left office and later became a Minnesota senator, the Star Tribune reports. In 2008, a grand jury ultimately decided not to charge the officers with any wrongdoing in the shooting, the Guardian reports.
Those decisions were left to a grand jury, a common practice at the time, according to the newspaper.

In a statement released Friday, the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office said Klobuchar had “no involvement” in the decision not to charge Chauvin in the shooting. “Sen. Klobuchar’s last day in the office here was December 31 2006, and she had no involvement in the prosecution of this case at all,” the statement obtained by the New York Times read.
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https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/amy-klobuchar-previously-declined-to-prosecute-cop/
 
Dr.Sid said:
Dems should talk about Biden. Biden must be in the media. Preferably in good light. For every news article about Trump, there must be one about Biden. It would also help if Biden was not portrayed anti-Trump in every aspect. Trump does, by a pure chance or as an accident, do something right time to time. Just acknowledge that.
Biden needs to increase media presence 10 times.
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I can agree that Biden needs to put out positive ads in addition to attack ads. He needs to tell us what he plans to do, what his agenda is in those ads.
 
One of the mistakes of 2016 was acting like Trump wasn't a clownish boor and assuming the typical voter would read between the lines. The major media outlets still have trouble calling a lie what it is instead of wrapping it in euphemism to protect the dignity of the office.

By all means Biden should take the high road, but there still needs to be a PAC or something putting out ads reminding people that even Trump's own staff call him a ******* moron.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
One of the mistakes of 2016 was acting like Trump wasn't a clownish boor and assuming the typical voter would read between the lines. The major media outlets still have trouble calling a lie what it is instead of wrapping it in euphemism to protect the dignity of the office.

By all means Biden should take the high road, but there still needs to be a PAC or something putting out ads reminding people that even Trump's own staff call him a ******* moron.
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Agreed. Let the PAC ads do the necessary dirty work. Biden needs to project professionalism and positivity.
 
Stacyhs said:
Klobuchar did not decline to prosecute Chauvin.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/amy-klobuchar-previously-declined-to-prosecute-cop/
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That's not all she might have to answer for.
As chief prosecutor for Minnesota’s most populous county from 1999 to 2007, Klobuchar declined to bring charges in more than two dozen cases in which people were killed in encounters with police.
At the same time, she aggressively prosecuted smaller offenses such as vandalism and routinely sought longer-than-recommended sentences, including for minors. Such prosecutions, done with the aim of curbing more serious crimes, have had mixed results and have been criticized for their disproportionate effect on poor and minority communities.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9e6984-4057-11e9-9361-301ffb5bd5e6_story.html

You find a few people whose lives were ruined because she sent them to prison for teenage pranks, and that's all voters will think about.
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
Ah yes, "the grand jury made me do it" defense.

I'm sure that will appease people of color, especially since such insightful reasoning has never been offered before.
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You conveniently and blatantly ignore that she no longer held the office at the time. That's an impressive degree of eagerness to assign blame.

This is like a game of community rorshalk, where posters blurt whatever impressionistic concept enters their minds, facts be damned.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Ah yes, "the grand jury made me do it" defense.
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According to the article, the case was referred to a grand jury, which did not return an indictment. Further, the grand jury did not arrive at its decision until after Klobuchar had left the prosecutor's office.

Given that referring such cases to a grand jury was the due process in that jurisdiction at the time, I don't see how she can be held responsible for that outcome.

Did Klobuchar have a history of skipping the grand jury and bringing charges directly, but opted not to do so in this case?

I'm sure that will appease people of color, especially since such insightful reasoning has never been offered before.
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If I read the story correctly, I'm not sure "people of color" are owed any appeasement over this particular case.
 
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