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The Trump Presidency: Part 21

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ChrisBFRPKY said:
Do you think fewer people would be infected if there was no travel ban in place?
How does that work?

Chris B.
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The only thing that would have changed is the timing. Once the virus got established in the US, it spread between Americans. The vast, vast, majority of the 600,000 cases in the US were caught from other Americans.

The travel ban probably delayed the onset of community transmission within the United States, but it did not and could not prevent it. It bought time.

And what did team Trump do with that time? Well, you tell me, because reporters have asked that question and Trump's reaction is to sputter and stammer and complain that they are bad reporters. I'm pretty sure that the reason he does that is that he can't point to anything he actually did.

The travel ban could have saved lives, but it didn't. In order for it to actually save lives, there had to be more actions, but those actions didn't happen.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I agree, and most of those folks were running around NYC infecting as many people as they could. Why would they do that?
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It's almost as if someone in a position of authority was telling them that the pandemic was nothing to be worried about, that it would all go away of its own accord, or something.

Of course, that would just be silly.
 
Meadmaker said:
The travel ban could have saved lives, but it didn't. In order for it to actually save lives, there had to be more actions, but those actions didn't happen.
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This is the point that has to be hammered on until some of these people get it: A travel ban alone does nothing. A travel ban buys you time to do the things that actually will save lives, but if you don't do those other things, you've just wasted the only benefit of the travel ban.

Trump did the easiest, absolute minimum thing he could do, and then did nothing else until forced to. And even then, he still dragged his feet. Nearly two months of time wasted.

If he really thought this was serious enough in January to enact a travel ban, he should have been serious enough in January to start the ball rolling on everything else that's been done since mid-March.

The fact that he did nothing else proves his travel ban wasn't about actually controlling the pandemic. The pandemic was just the convenient excuse he could use to ban Chinese travel to the US, which he wanted to do anyways.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
We will get thru this. Our economy will bounce back as Globalism has finally been revealed for what it is, a shortage of vital interests. I expect to see many major startups and many products that were made elsewhere before will be made in the USA again after all is said and done.

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Good luck with that. I for one don't think expecting people making minimum wage after several months of unemployment to start buying more expensive US-made products is going to be quite so successful as you apparently think it will be, but hey, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Or, I suppose you could try selling all that expensive stuff to all the other countries in the world.

You know, the ones that Trump has been deliberately pissing off for the last three years. I'm sure that'll work out, too.
 
Horatius said:
This is the point that has to be hammered on until some of these people get it: A travel ban alone does nothing. A travel ban buys you time to do the things that actually will save lives, but if you don't do those other things, you've just wasted the only benefit of the travel ban.

Trump did the easiest, absolute minimum thing he could do, and then did nothing else until forced to. And even then, he still dragged his feet. Nearly two months of time wasted.

If he really thought this was serious enough in January to enact a travel ban, he should have been serious enough in January to start the ball rolling on everything else that's been done since mid-March.

The fact that he did nothing else proves his travel ban wasn't about actually controlling the pandemic. The pandemic was just the convenient excuse he could use to ban Chinese travel to the US, which he wanted to do anyways.
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Good points. Let's not forget that Trump boasted about knowing that this was a pandemic before anyone else did. Ok, so what did he do about it?
 
dmaker said:
Good points. Let's not forget that Trump boasted about knowing that this was a pandemic before anyone else did. Ok, so what did he do about it?
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He looked responsibility right in the eye and declared, publicly, that he wouldn't accept it. What more could we want in a leader?
 
BobTheCoward said:
And I'm going to place a 600 dollar bet for Trump to win reelection.
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If the odds are even anything approaching evens then that's probably not a bad shout.

The GOP will do everything it can to stop anyone who might vote Democrat from being able to do so.
 
TragicMonkey said:
He looked responsibility right in the eye and declared, publicly, that he wouldn't accept it. What more could we want in a leader?
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To be fair, cheerleaders are not expected to take responsibility. :)

Don Lemon put it well when he pointed out that the President claims no responsibility while declaring all the authority.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
He looked responsibility right in the eye and declared, publicly, that he wouldn't accept it. What more could we want in a leader?
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No responsibility, only praise please. Remember, if it were anybody else at the helm, we probably wouldn't even have a country left. We know this because he told us. It's also going away in April; which April is anyone's guess.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Cheerleaders are expected to look good in a tiny skirt, though.
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To be fair, I've never seen Trump's bare legs. I'll need some evidence the man doesn't look good in a tiny skirt. After all, he sucks at everything else. Maybe all that golfing gives him some defined legs.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
...how do you define “Globalism”...
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Good question but I think the average Trump supporter has no idea what it means other than, "I care about Americans, I don't care about foreigners." The Globalist, a website that has been around for twenty years, defines globalism ("it's not the same thing as Globalization") as:
Globalism, at its core, seeks to describe and explain nothing more than a world which is characterized by networks of connections that span multi-continental distances. It attempts to understand all the inter-connections of the modern world — and to highlight patterns that underlie (and explain) them. Link
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What I find truly astounding is, that a man like Trump with business interests all over the world, who does things like bringing foreign workers in to serve as employees at Mar-a-Lago (local people say when they apply for jobs they never even get interviewed) and brags about all his terrific international trade deals, is somehow praised by people who are against "globalism." They're convinced Trump is against globalism, too, but based on...?
 
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The Don said:
If the odds are even anything approaching evens then that's probably not a bad shout.

The GOP will do everything it can to stop anyone who might vote Democrat from being able to do so.
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It is more of an emotional hedge. Won't vote for him, though.
 
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