The Trump Presidency: Part 21

[Stacyhs]

The title of the order is:

"Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus"

I just sank your battleship.

Chris B.

I agree that the ban was on all aliens, not just Chinese nationals, who had been to China in the last couple of weeks. But it was an ineffective ban because there were so many exemptions that it had as many holes as Swiss cheese. Chinese nationals were allowed to come in as long as they were legal residents, the spouse of a legal resident, the parent, guardian, or sibling of a legal resident or a foreign government official or immediate family member of an official.


But, as usual, Trump was late to the prom:

The temporary restrictions followed announcements by American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines that they would suspend air service between the United States and China for several months.

Trump didn’t act until after the three biggest American airlines, along with nearly every other international airline, had already suspended flights to China. In other words, when it didn’t really matter anymore.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/airlines-suspended-china-flights-before-trump-did/

 

[Norman Alexander]

The title of the order is:

"Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus"

I just sank your battleship.

Chris B.

Reading Comprehension 101.

That wording in the title should have meant EVERY PERSON from ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD who posed a risk, not just China. But it didn't. 40,000 people from China somehow didn't qualify to be stopped after this ban. Why? Are US Border Security so lax?

Or was the active parts of the proclamation not what was in the title...

You sank nothing, my friend.

 

[Armitage72]

The title of the order is:

"Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus"

Which didn't apply to US citizens or a long list of various categories of non-citizens, including such precise classifications as "any alien whose entry would be in the national interest" or "any alien whose entry would not pose a significant risk of introducing, transmitting, or spreading the virus".

 

[Norman Alexander]

I never thought about it before, but I’ll bet he spray tans the old wazoo, too. Y’know, to give it that healthy, sun-dappled glow.

I feel nauseous...

 

[Shalamar]

The title of the order is:

"Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus"

I just sank your battleship.

Chris B.

Too bad it was completely ineffective. That wasn't a battleship you sank. In fact, no matter how often you shout out the same numbers, there's nothing there.

 

[Giordano]

The title of the order is:

"Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus"

I just sank your battleship.

Chris B.

As noted upthread you really should have looked up the actual order and how it was applied instead of this silliness. The other members who posted were absolutely correct.

 

[newyorkguy]

I think this photo is from Monday's press conference. Sometimes photos are misleading but Trump looks like the stress is really beginning to wear on him. He's very isolated from other people, even the ones who support him. That's not very healthy.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Which didn't apply to US citizens or a long list of various categories of non-citizens, including such precise classifications as "any alien whose entry would be in the national interest" or "any alien whose entry would not pose a significant risk of introducing, transmitting, or spreading the virus".

Well you can't lock US citizens out of their home Country. That's why they sent planes for them to bring them home. Of course they were subject to quarantine but hey at least most are home now.

The fact remains the travel restrictions have saved lives. I fully realize many will try to turn the conversation away from this point to take some sort of shot against President Trump. If it makes you feel good fire away. After all you're alive and can do so, but just maybe you wouldn't be without Trump.

Chris B.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I think this photo is from Monday's press conference. Sometimes photos are misleading but Trump looks like the stress is really beginning to wear on him. He's very isolated from other people, even the ones who support him. That's not very healthy.

While it is amusing to watch the tangerine fool flail about helplessly as he shipwrecks yet another "big business venture" due to his own utter incompetence, there is also the realisation that a tired and emotional Trump is more likely to make dangerous and even more lunatic decisions that will negatively affect even more people. He really needs to be sidelined, not just for his own well-being but for everyone else's.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

As noted upthread you really should have looked up the actual order and how it was applied instead of this silliness. The other members who posted were absolutely correct.

What were the "other members" correct about specifically?

Chris B.

 

[The Atheist]

Well I’m sure Republicans will rally together to firmly denounce the POSOTUS after his declaration of total federal control over the states, right?

Right?

Haha! That's going in the humour thread!

Can you just for a split second think about what would have happened if Obama had made a statement like that? Republicans and right-side media would have been screaming.

Double standard pieces of ****.

I think this photo is from Monday's press conference. Sometimes photos are misleading but Trump looks like the stress is really beginning to wear on him. He's very isolated from other people, even the ones who support him. That's not very healthy.

He'll be enjoying China taking the piss out of him on top of everything else.

 

[alfaniner]

His neckballs were really prominent today. Must have missed his wattle-tightening treatment.

 

[Meadmaker]

Well you can't lock US citizens out of their home Country. That's why they sent planes for them to bring them home. Of course they were subject to quarantine but hey at least most are home now.

The fact remains the travel restrictions have saved lives. I fully realize many will try to turn the conversation away from this point to take some sort of shot against President Trump. If it makes you feel good fire away. After all you're alive and can do so, but just maybe you wouldn't be without Trump.

Chris B.

How?

How did they save lives?

The virus is here. It is not being spread by Chinese people, or by people who had been to China. What did the travel restrictions accomplish?


The epidemic would have gotten rolling in February instead of March?

And?

Explain this to us. How did the travel restrictions save lives?


Just to remind you, I have said they were a good idea. I think they were the right thing to do. However, I don't think they saved lives. You think they did, so explain how.

 

[Norman Alexander]

What were the "other members" correct about specifically?

Chris B.

The facts.

 

[dmaker]

Well you can't lock US citizens out of their home Country. That's why they sent planes for them to bring them home. Of course they were subject to quarantine but hey at least most are home now.

The fact remains the travel restrictions have saved lives. I fully realize many will try to turn the conversation away from this point to take some sort of shot against President Trump. If it makes you feel good fire away. After all you're alive and can do so, but just maybe you wouldn't be without Trump.

Chris B.

What did the President do in Feb to halt any spread of the virus? Aside from golfing and holding rallies?

 

[Stacyhs]

What were the "other members" correct about specifically?

Chris B.

About all the exemptions that let 40,000 people in, for one. They were supposed to self-quarantine but not all did. It was not enforced by the feds.

 

[lomiller]

The fact remains the travel restrictions have saved lives.

Did the virus make it to the US? If so Trumps travel ban failed.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

How?

How did they save lives?

The virus is here. It is not being spread by Chinese people, or by people who had been to China. What did the travel restrictions accomplish?


The epidemic would have gotten rolling in February instead of March?

And?

Explain this to us. How did the travel restrictions save lives?


Just to remind you, I have said they were a good idea. I think they were the right thing to do. However, I don't think they saved lives. You think they did, so explain how.

It's not too difficult to accept that with fewer infected people coming into the country, fewer people were infected.

The facts.

I expected as much.

What did the President do in Feb to halt any spread of the virus? Aside from golfing and holding rallies?

Travel ban from Europe maybe? Ireland, the UK? Stuff like that. I realize you need to believe the President is doing poorly, but he's just not. It is intellectually dishonest to point fingers and say he should have done this or that, hindsight is always 20/20.

However that said I realize it is still no comfort to those who can't stand the President or his supporters. Perhaps those folks can imagine what Joe Biden would have done to protect them in January given he's a fair judge of xenophobes and all. Or perhaps Nancy Pelosi? Hug a Chinese person etc.....How clever.

Chris B.

 

[Giordano]

What were the "other members" correct about specifically?

Chris B.

What they posted. The facts. The obvious.

But somehow I have this vague notion you knew that already. Plus my mom taught me not to play games with strangers.

 

[Meadmaker]

It's not too difficult to accept that with fewer infected people coming into the country, fewer people were infected.

That's dumb, but I'm not going to explain why.

It's a pearls and swine thing. There's really no point.