The Trump Presidency: Part 20

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theprestige said:
I'd say "winning" the "popular vote", but losing the actual votes in the actual swing states they actually needed to win the actual election is very much not "doing ok".
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My point was more to say that, even though they suffered a loss, they've even done rather well since then. They took back the house in 2018. What do you define as "doing ok"?

theprestige said:
Hell, the fact that the election was so close that losing on that basis was even possible puts the lie to the "doing ok" meme.
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How so? The dems got more votes, just not where they needed them. If you're saying that in order for them to be "doing ok" they have to win every election then I guess we'll have to disagree.
 
plague311 said:
My point was more to say that, even though they suffered a loss, they've even done rather well since then. They took back the house in 2018. What do you define as "doing ok"?
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Basically anything you don't, it would seem. :rolleyes:

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plague311 said:
My point was more to say that, even though they suffered a loss, they've even done rather well since then. They took back the house in 2018. What do you define as "doing ok"?
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Winning instead of losing in 2016. Mounting a compelling alternative to Trump in 2020.

Not talking about the "popular vote" like it's some sort of participation trophy or consolation prize is a big one.

How so? The dems got more votes, just not where they needed them. If you're saying that in order for them to be "doing ok" they have to win every election then I guess we'll have to disagree.
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You must be tired from all the winning.
 
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theprestige said:
No wonder progressives have been having such a hard time putting together a winning presidential campaign lately. All this fear mongering about how scary the right is must be leaving left-wing voters very conflicted. It's gotta be hard to figure out if you're supposed to vote your progressive ideals or your conservative risk mitigation.
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It’s not hard to figure out at all.

If the conservatives were offering a candidate capable of risk mitigation (e.g. McCain, JEB, Christie, Huckabee, Rubio, yadda, yadda) then the choice would require thoughtful reflection. But because the Republican candidate has spent his entire life demonstrating he doesn’t understand risk mitigation (or self sacrifice, reliance on experts, long- term planning, exponential growth, etc) then the choice is clear.

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Don’t get me wrong. The Dems are chumps who are experts at losing. But President Trump has repeatedly demonstrated he has absolutely no idea how to help the country.
 
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MRC_Hans said:
Basically anything you don't, it would seem. : rolleyes :
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What a weird thing to say. But probably true, on this particular topic. I consider "doing okay" to be succeeding, but not as much as one might reasonably expect to succeed.

The Democrats are doing pretty okay in the House; not so much in the Senate.

Winning the "popular vote" but losing the actual election is not a success in my eyes. So yeah, if he defines "doing okay" as doing that, then no, we're not going to see eye to eye on it ever.

I think it's a point that reasonable people can disagree on, as plague and I do here. Why is it an eye-rolling matter for you?
 
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Bob001 said:
Doc Fauci not at today's briefing. But AG Barr is. Not a good sign.
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Barr says they are going to crack down on businesses that are hording or holding back necessary/needed items in order to force up demand/market value.

"If you're sitting on a garage full of toilet paper, we're not interested in you. If you're sitting on a warehouse full of N95 masks, expect to hear a knock on your door."
 
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Mike! said:
Barr says they are going to crack down on businesses that are hording or holding back necessary/needed items in order to force up demand/market value.

"If you're sitting on a garage full of toilet paper, we're not interested in you. If you're sitting on a warehouse full of N95 masks, expect to hear a knock on your door."
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Are there warehouses full of N95 masks?
 
Did y'all enjoy how he tried to rope the doctor lady into his anti media rant?

What a sick **** wad.
 
AnonyMoose said:
Translation:


Our country is not in a financial position to lockdown for any length of time. But we'll lockdown for 15 days to make it look good and then we'll release everyone out into the streets because we need ya'll back to selling those delicious buckets of chicken. The Foreign Virus will spread really fast once that happens, but we have no choice. So at that point it will be 'every man for himself'. Good luck to you all and I, your tremendously fearless leader, will be watching from my ivory tower. Oh, I almost forgot..... for those of you who do end up surviving this thing after it's cleared, join me at Mar-A-Lago for a delicious Big Mac dinner and a round of golf. Only $3999.99 a plate!
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FWIW, here's a Vanity Fair article that digs a little deeper into that.

theprestige said:
No wonder progressives have been having such a hard time putting together a winning presidential campaign lately. All this fear mongering about how scary the right is must be leaving left-wing voters very conflicted. It's gotta be hard to figure out if you're supposed to vote your progressive ideals or your conservative risk mitigation.
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thaiboxerken said:
No. The reason progressives lose presidential elections is because Republicans cheat.
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Ladewig said:
It’s not hard to figure out at all.

If the conservatives were offering a candidate capable of risk mitigation (e.g. McCain, JEB, Christie, Huckabee, Rubio, yadda, yadda) then the choice would require thoughtful reflection. But because the Republican candidate has spent his entire life demonstrating he doesn’t understand risk mitigation (or self sacrifice, reliance on experts, long- term planning, exponential growth, etc) then the choice is clear.

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Don’t get me wrong. The Dems are chumps who are experts at losing. But President Trump has repeatedly demonstrated he has absolutely no idea how to help the country.
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FWIW, Biden IS the risk mitigation candidate of the Democratic field.

Bob001 said:
Doc Fauci not at today's briefing. But AG Barr is. Not a good sign.
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Hopefully, it's just that Fauci's busy with something more important again.

To poke at other things, though...

On the bailout -

Republicans try to sneak a provision into their 'Stimulus' to set the stage for Social Security cuts

Predictable, really.

Collins' awful provision in coronavirus bill harms nursing homes, disability providers, and more

That's less predictable, on the other hand, but... still unsurprising.

‘Excuse me!’ Elizabeth Warren fact-checks business news host on Republican coronavirus giveaway bill

Yeah... Warren's still great, even when there's a host very clearly intent on spreading any blame to where it doesn't really deserve to go.

Next, though...

Air Force Reserve Removes Shameless Proselytizing Video After MRFF Demand

The MRFF's angry letter is actually pretty great, but efforts to use government to propagandize for a particular religion seem like they're becoming uncomfortably frequent these days.

Texas AG Ken Paxton uses COVID-19 to outlaw abortion

After the Ohio Republicans tried to do it, it's no surprise to see the Texas Republicans try to do it, too.

Trump's reckless promotion of unapproved chloroquine likely just killed a man

Anyone surprised?

Exhibit Eleventy-Billion and Two: "[W]e don’t know who to call on masks."

...Comforting. Maybe, just maybe, had the Orange Monster not been so intent on firing the people who would know, they wouldn't have that inane problem.
 
So... what is Trump exactly doing? I mean, beside whining how everyone is mean to him?

Only silver lining: activity of usual deplorables here is, for some strange reason, significantly reduced. Ahhh, fresh air, even if only for a while...
 
lomiller said:
Political conservatism is fundamentally a fear driven phenomenon. It's no surprise that when people are scared it benefits conservatives in the polls. Sadly this holds true whenever the crisis that is causing the fear is a direct consequence of conservative incompetence.
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I'm not so sure. FDR led the country through the Great Depression (and most of World War II). Politics is fear-driven on all-sides because we are rightfully fear-conscious apes -- and recognition of this political psychology predates Hobbes.

Conservatives were more likely to vocally dismiss the threat of Coronavirus, "The flu is worse." Liberals have been banging the drum about climate change for decades, but it's another "hoax." People on the left support social insurance programs to mitigate risk (unemployment insurance, health insurance, retirement insurance), in part because it can happen to any one of us.

Conservatives are more likely to agree that people can pick themselves up by the bootstraps -- though the American economy apparently cannot and needs a yuge injection of taxpayer funds.

The difference in fear-psychology seems to be that conservatives think other people and nations are out to get them. Liberals tend to be more universal whereas conservatives tend to be more parochial.
 
The abscence of Fauci or the Surgeon Genera lis a sign that Trump is going to ignore medical and scienfific advice from now on because he does not like it.
I now predict the death tool will be in the Hundred of thousans because of Trump
God, I have never been so disgusted and scared in my life.
We have psychopath as presidnet.
And am thought giving any benefir to the doubt to his supporters. I will terat them as just a big bastards as Trump is unitl proven different.
 
Stacyhs said:
That is exactly what I've suspected for quite some time. I believe he has a reading comprehension problem; he does not process the written word well. It causes him to be monotone when reading with few inflections where we'd normally put them. He becomes confused and then goes off script, falling back on comfortable rhetoric to center himself again.
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In his daily press briefings he reads the prepared stuff in his 3 ring binder like a third grader, stumbling over the bigger words.

My guess is he's learned a little reading over the 3 years out of having to do it.
 
dudalb said:
Now convicned, given his totally irrational and crazy response to the Corona crisis.
If he lifts restrictions, and the death rate goes into the hundreds of thousands, we will see social chaos.
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OK, that makes more sense: Now convinced, not Not convinced.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
In his daily press briefings he reads the prepared stuff in his 3 ring binder like a third grader, stumbling over the bigger words.

My guess is he's learned a little reading over the 3 years out of having to do it.
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No wonder he doesn't want his academic records released. I have a feeling he barely passed. And knowing him, he probably cheated whenever he could.
 
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