The Trump Presidency: Part 20

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dudalb said:
I am not convinced if Trump ir relelcted, you will see this coutnry descend into chaos.
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This is the second time that you say you're not convinced... at first I thought it was a typo but I don't know anymore. :)



ETA: Oh, did you mean "now" convinced? Sorry my brain has issues with interpreting typos properly, especially when they turn out to look like other real words.
 
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Stacyhs said:
That is exactly what I've suspected for quite some time. I believe he has a reading comprehension problem; he does not process the written word well. It causes him to be monotone when reading with few inflections where we'd normally put them. He becomes confused and then goes off script, falling back on comfortable rhetoric to center himself again.
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Like he comprehends any other form of information better.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

I watch and listen to the Fake News, CNN, MSDNC, ABC, NBC, CBS, some of FOX (desperately & foolishly pleading to be politically correct), the @nytimes, & the @washingtonpost, and all I see is hatred of me at any cost. Don’t they understand that they are destroying themselves?

My friend (always there when I’ve needed him!), Senator @RandPaul, was just tested “positive” from the Chinese Virus. That is not good! He is strong and will get better. Just spoke to him and he was in good spirits.

WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!
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Translation:


Our country is not in a financial position to lockdown for any length of time. But we'll lockdown for 15 days to make it look good and then we'll release everyone out into the streets because we need ya'll back to selling those delicious buckets of chicken. The Foreign Virus will spread really fast once that happens, but we have no choice. So at that point it will be 'every man for himself'. Good luck to you all and I, your tremendously fearless leader, will be watching from my ivory tower. Oh, I almost forgot..... for those of you who do end up surviving this thing after it's cleared, join me at Mar-A-Lago for a delicious Big Mac dinner and a round of golf. Only $3999.99 a plate!
 
Stacyhs said:
Agreed. Conservatism, in general, is largely rooted in the comfort of the status quo, of tradition, of the 'known'. Everything has a place and everything in its place.
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It's even deeper than that. You can actively make people lean more conservative by instilling fear, while you can actively make people lean more liberal by instilling a sense of empowerment and control.
 
Belz... said:
This is the second time that you say you're not convinced... at first I thought it was a typo but I don't know anymore. :)



ETA: Oh, did you mean "now" convinced? Sorry my brain has issues with interpreting typos properly, especially when they turn out to look like other real words.
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Now convicned, given his totally irrational and crazy response to the Corona crisis.
If he lifts restrictions, and the death rate goes into the hundreds of thousands, we will see social chaos.
 
Bob001 said:
That has been widely suspected for years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd79UsXSLWg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGuJlTVXfw
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Trump can technically read. He can look at the letters and understand what words they represent; it's not just a mass of letters to him. Taken individually or in very small sentences, he comprehends what they say. What he has difficulty doing is understanding the message those words are conveying when put together in larger sentences and paragraphs.
 
lomiller said:
It's even deeper than that. You can actively make people lean more conservative by instilling fear, while you can actively make people lean more liberal by instilling a sense of empowerment and control.
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I agree with that. Fear and discomfort are much the same thing. Both produce the other. When we are uncomfortable/fearful, we tend to find comfort in the known, the status quo, and tradition. It reduces our fear.
 
calebprime said:
He seems to be uncomfortable with reading. I expect he doesn't absorb written information all that well. Broad strokes only. He squints and seems to read with one eye. And then there's that thing that happens with his gaze that doesn't happen with any other statesperson I've ever seen -- when he's trying to think something up, he'll often look up and to the side. There have been leaders who weren't considered especially bright, and he makes them seem like great statesmen -- Gerald Ford, for example.

I'd love it if the former Gerald Ford were the president now -- we'd be in much better shape.
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Indeed, even a zombie President could do a better job.
 
Segnosaur said:
Secondly, sounds to me like he wants to relax various self-quarantine restrictions to boost the economy. Problem is, if doing so causes the disease to spread, any 'boost' to the economy will be short lived.
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Short term gain for long term pain; it's a perfectly cromulent economic plan.
 
lomiller said:
It's even deeper than that. You can actively make people lean more conservative by instilling fear, while you can actively make people lean more liberal by instilling a sense of empowerment and control.
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No wonder progressives have been having such a hard time putting together a winning presidential campaign lately. All this fear mongering about how scary the right is must be leaving left-wing voters very conflicted. It's gotta be hard to figure out if you're supposed to vote your progressive ideals or your conservative risk mitigation.
 
theprestige said:
No wonder progressives have been having such a hard time putting together a winning presidential campaign lately. All this fear mongering about how scary the right is must be leaving left-wing voters very conflicted. It's gotta be hard to figure out if you're supposed to vote your progressive ideals or your conservative risk mitigation.
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They only lost 1 of the last 3 POTUS elections and won the popular vote in the one they "lost". I'd say they're doing ok.
 
Bob001 said:
I don't think you looked closely at that list. How 'bout:
Establish a formal Fourth Branch of the Government to consist of the administrative and law enforcement agencies and their personnel. ....NO elected official would have ANY say in the appointment of regulators, judges, etc.
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So voters wouldn't choose individual candidates, that unelected "Fourth Branch" would oversee and control all others, speech would have to be officially authorized, and the state and local governments would be abolished. I'm pretty sure Australians don't live like that.
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You might want to read your highlighted bit again. ;) It is saying that the elected politicians don't get to appoint their own regulators and judges, etc. That is, they don't get to stack the police forces and judicial branch with their cronies, of any stripe. Which is precisely what is happening in the SCOTUS and state supreme courts right now.

And it has nothing whatever to do with control of free speech. We have that here too. Nor about the abolishment of state and local governments.

Seriously, that's all a slippery-slope argument. You can do better.






Gerrymanderng means redrawing Congressional districts to benefit the majority party after the decennial census. It is always approved by state legislatures -- not "unelected government officials" -- and Democrats have done it too. It doesn't have anything to do with who can run for office, just who has a better chance of getting elected.
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Do I have to walk you through this?

Who appoints the people who draw up these maps? The partisan elected officials. And then who approves those new maps? The same partisan elected officials. IOW, they can gerrymander as hard as they like without any restriction except perhaps not making the scam TOO obvious. And even then, many don't care. Because they can.


I think we should not derail this thread. Take it to another if you like.
 
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theprestige said:
No wonder progressives have been having such a hard time putting together a winning presidential campaign lately. All this fear mongering about how scary the right is must be leaving left-wing voters very conflicted. It's gotta be hard to figure out if you're supposed to vote your progressive ideals or your conservative risk mitigation.
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No. The reason progressives lose presidential elections is because Republicans cheat.
 
plague311 said:
They only lost 1 of the last 3 POTUS elections and won the popular vote in the one they "lost". I'd say they're doing ok.
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I'd say "winning" the "popular vote", but losing the actual votes in the actual swing states they actually needed to win the actual election is very much not "doing ok".

Hell, the fact that the election was so close that losing on that basis was even possible puts the lie to the "doing ok" meme.

But here's your chance at a do-over! Who knows what November 2020 will bring?
 
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