2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 2

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Skeptic Ginger said:
You know damn well how incompetrump personally dismissed this virus, bragging about his meaningless move to block Chinese arriving from China (and not even blocking everyone)!

I posted links as to how he blocked the acquisition of tests from other countries.
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The problem is that DJT has a strong case of confirmation bias. He elevated ill informed opinions from Rush and Fox because he wanted to believe it. It apparently took a person visit from Tucker to get him to stop totally dismissing it.

And the bureaucracy, which has lots of regulations to approve new tests for very good reasons but which needed to be shortcut when facing the kind of outbreak China demonstrated needed a kick in the pants. They had mechanisms to do this but what manager wanted to stick their neck out with DJT discounting the threat? Or push to get tests from WHO? Just a guess as to the amount of time lost but probably on the order of 2 to 4 weeks from the dismissal tone set earlier by DJT. That's going to cause a lot of damage at the end. Both economic and health. S. Korea learned from China. The USA was a straggler and this wasn't rocket science.
 
varwoche said:
I don't know exactly what it is you deem delusional. I do know, however, that Trump was calling corona a hoax, and otherwise minimizing it, at a time when it was obviously serious.
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Your post is delusional. Trump never never never ever called the corona virus a hoax. What he said was the Democratic response to the actions he was taking was a hoax.

Try actually doing some reading somewhere other than twitter.
 
Kings Full said:
I think it's a mental illness. They're obsessed to the point of becoming delusional.

You can't say hello without getting an earful of their distorted views on society.
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I found Planigale's post compelling and on topic. I was puzzled by a nation who innovates broad areas of science failing its people so catastrophically.
Science, medicine, technology all in one illuminating post with an essential side dish of politics to tie it together.
 
Kings Full said:
Your post is delusional. Trump never never never ever called the corona virus a hoax. What he said was the Democratic response to the actions he was taking was a hoax.

Try actually doing some reading somewhere other than twitter.
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Not delusional, just incorrect. There was a twitter post from a news reporter that Trump had called COVID-19 a hoax. That reporter has, today, retracted that report and apologized.
 
Okay, but I hope I don't see anyone being equally delusional by suggesting that invoking the grand-liberal-media theory anywhere in relation to this very real danger is benign or acceptable behavior from a President.
 
Well, they shut all stores at noon. Stores can open from 8 am until 12 noon now. No one on the street after 4pm (until 4 am) at risk of a minimum 15 day city jail stay. Yikes. I talked to the police today and they told me straight up that even though they know me they would have to take me in if I'm out.

ETA: this is a national order from the President of Guate (although the 12 noon tienda rule is a municipal edict).
 
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Steve said:
Not delusional, just incorrect. There was a twitter post from a news reporter that Trump had called COVID-19 a hoax. That reporter has, today, retracted that report and apologized.
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Right. DJT didn't call coronavirus a hoax. He did, however downplay the threat, suggesting it might just go away, and repeatedly saying we had things under control, best healthcare in the World, millions of tests were available when they weren't, and generally stating what we were (not) doing was wonderful, and other positive superlatives.
 
Trump did say "Now, the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus… this is their new hoax." He used ambiguous language that could easily mean that the virus is a hoax.
 
Kings Full said:
Your post is delusional. Trump never never never ever called the corona virus a hoax. What he said was the Democratic response to the actions he was taking was a hoax.

Try actually doing some reading somewhere other than twitter.
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I replied to this pedantic nonsense in the generic Trump thread in the Politics section.
 
Is there a good source of information that describes just what a coronavirus test actually is and how it's done?

What I mean is that I have read, and I'm pretty sure it's accurate, that this is a PCR test that looks for DNA markers (RNA?) that are unique to the SARS 2 virus.

Ok, so what does that mean? I know on "Law and Order" that means they send in a sample and it comes back identifying who the victim/killer is, in ways that make the plot interesting. I know that in real life, it involves taking some sort of bodily fluids, putting them in some sort of medium, adding some sort of chemicals, and somehow getting a computer printout that says you're 62% Irish, and have the coronavirus.

I want to know a little bit more than that.

Not that I can do anything about it, but I'm curious what the holdup is in making more test kits. I'm guessing that this "reagent" that they mention is some rather specific set of chemicals that can't be produced using things you buy at the grocery store.

If that's not it, then what the heck is the issue with producing about 500 million test kits?

So, I would like to have an "advanced layman's" guide to PCR and/or the coronavirus testing process. What I mean by that is I have a graduate degree in electrical engineering, so I'm no scientific slouch, but my eyes glaze over once specific chemical names start being used. I've always wondered how real biotech stuff, like pills, actually gets created, purified, and stuck in a powder. I don't expect to learn that in any real way, but if I could read, "This tests requires 3-9-Whattheheckisthat that can only be produced by a process that requires 85 hours of fermentation time" that would greatly increase my knowledge.

Not that it matters much, but I do find it interesting, but as long as I'm fretting about coronaviruses, I always like education.
 
I'm having a lot of trouble finding info about the progression of covid cases. Having extreme IBS if I got the type that never showed a fever, just GI symptoms I wouldn't know at all. Do people ever live if they get that type without a hospital?
 
For all the politicizing, name calling and Trump bashing, can any body show me some comparative numbers demonstrating how the USA is worse off than everywhere else on the planet?
 
Kings Full said:
Your post is delusional. Trump never never never ever called the corona virus a hoax. What he said was the Democratic response to the actions he was taking was a hoax.

Try actually doing some reading somewhere other than twitter.
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It is virtually impossible to parse out anything Trump says because he is so incoherent. But okay, if he really intended to complain not that the coronavirus that was a hoax, but that it was the Democrat’s response to the virus that was a hoax, what exactly was it in their response that was the hoax? In listening to Trump’s own speeches the hoax he claimed was that the Democrats were falsely claiming that the virus and concerns of an epidemic should be taken seriously. That we were not adequately prepared. And that anyone who proposed that the virus was a major danger must be a “Democrat,” a political enemy doing it just to attack him. That was the “hoax” he claimed. Until too late he finally became frightened enough to change his story.
 
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Disregarding all the death and looming economic collapse as well as the very real possibility of my own plunge into abject poverty, this has been a lovely week for an introverted loner such as myself. I can actually hear birds in the morning instead of traffic, everyone literally goes out of their way to keep their distance, and I don't have to feel bad for declining to visit family.

Can we just heal the virus but keep all the other stuff ... you know, as a precautionary measure in case of other outbreaks?
 
casebro said:
For all the politicizing, name calling and Trump bashing, can any body show me some comparative numbers demonstrating how the USA is worse off than everywhere else on the planet?
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You've seen the numbers and discussions about South Korea here many times. With a bit more complexity I could add China and Japan. What exactly do you mean?
 
casebro said:
For all the politicizing, name calling and Trump bashing, can any body show me some comparative numbers demonstrating how the USA is worse off than everywhere else on the planet?
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Here's the site I've been using to get key comparison stats.

https://ncov2019.live/data

It was put together by a high school kid in Seattle a few weeks ago.

The general summary right now is that the US has the highest rate of growth of new cases of anywhere else in the world. Of course, how you slice the statistics makes a big difference in interpretation.

Moreover, I would say that the significant feature when evaluating the response from a public policy perspective is to note that our first case arrived on our shores significantly later than many other countries, and yet our growth rate is now worse than those countries, so one has to wonder what happened.

I will not, in this thread, make any actual judgement about the public policy response. It's not hard to figure out what I'm thinking, but the details can go elsewhere.
 
casebro said:
For all the politicizing, name calling and Trump bashing, can any body show me some comparative numbers demonstrating how the USA is worse off than everywhere else on the planet?
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That's a straw man. No one is claiming that. We are, however, way behind the majority of first world countries in testing. So much so that we are seeing more rapid rises in new cases than others. But it overstates the rate new infections are occurring. Why? They were, of course, already there but testing hadn't been available even for obvious candidates like the workers at the Wash. nursing home hit a month ago.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I'll be waiting on you to show actual examples. ( Just one at a time please. )You can start with one actual death that was caused by President Trump .
Meanwhile, if we had an infinite supply of tests, How would you suggest those tests be carried out? Just a brief logistical scenario.
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Sure. Do you have the list of their names and their medical records?
 
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