2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 2

[angrysoba]

Nah, you can only do that in make believe countries, such as Narnia or South Korea.

Except this is another lie.

You guys got the joke, then.

 

[Giordano]

The virus is in the nasal mucus because it is replicating and being shed and thereby the patient is infected. Whether they show signs of the disease is related mainly to age and co-morbidities.


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This^

PCR not sensitive enough to detect those few viruses that initiate infections. Requires some replication to amplify RNA enough to detect.

 

[Apathia]

Dr. Anthony Fauci says the US may not necessarily follow the same path as Italy.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-i...sory-anthony-fauci_n_5e77b89ac5b6f5b7c5466bb2

Room for hope?
Nope.
We are already on the curve.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/...Idq05FmLKrJf8wiiBVM6oM9ptC74h3UxoJENcRJNzIxwI

"Tell me lie, tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies."

Trump and Co's almost consistent PR policy is to say "Everything is under control:" "It's all going to be fine;" and "You can do business as usual."
As in the corporate world, no "negative speech" is tolerated.

Fauci has to say something pretty, or he's out.

 

[casebro]

The virus is in the nasal mucus because it is replicating and being shed and thereby the patient is infected. Whether they show signs of the disease is related mainly to age and co-morbidities.


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But other people have said that even immune people can act as carriers because they spread what they pick up without any replication. You are not accounting for said immunity.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

But other people have said that even immune people can act as carriers because they spread what they pick up without any replication. You are not accounting for said immunity.

Can you cite these people? Somehow I'm guessing that spreading will be by handshakes and not by anything related to nasal linings, but let's see.


ETA: I'll leave this post as is, but it seems to have confused someone so I'll leave it as is and explain in my response to the confused person.

 

[a_unique_person]

McDonalds in the UK is shutting down. Not even drive through.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Can you cite these people? Somehow I'm guessing that spreading will be by handshakes and not by anything related to nasal linings, but let's see.

It spreads by handshakes?

It's alive on the surface of the skin?

It invades another body through skin pores?

I wonder if "don't touch your face" has something to do with this.

 

[casebro]

Can you cite these people? Somehow I'm guessing that spreading will be by handshakes and not by anything related to nasal linings, but let's see.

Yeah but the virus doesn't enter through the skin of the hand. It gets transferred from the hand to mucuos membranes of the eyes and nose by facial rubbing. More to follow.

eta: Here's a link that discusses exactly waht I brought up https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...es-could-show-true-scale-coronavirus-pandemic

NYC is using the antibody test to verify the data gathered so far. Dunnoe how long it will take to gather a robust amount.

 

[xjx388]

I'm getting to be on the front lines of our community . . .

The first patient Id'd in our county is the close contact of one of our employees. I was on the phone late last night with the docs in our clinic and the health department. I have to say I am impressed with their response and how quick it got back to us. Our employee is not symptomatic and has been ordered to quarantine. They are testing all members of the family and we will use our testing capacity to test the employees in proximity to the employee. We are also switiching to 100% telehealth and patients will only come to office if we decide to swab them.

Fun times!

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

My last question was addressed to casebro who is claiming that people immune to corvid-19 can pass the virus along without replication and presumably he means without it replicating in their body. And he was replying to someone talking about why the virus is in nasal mucus. So my point is that I doubt nasal linings are a way it spreads in the cases he is talking about (assuming he's correct that such cases exist).

Nose, mouth and eyes are definitely the main ways it's expected to spread between people who are infected.

It spreads by handshakes?

It's alive on the surface of the skin?

CDC says it can be spread by contact with surfaces.

It invades another body through skin pores?

Not that I know of. Mouth, nose, and eyes.

I wonder if "don't touch your face" has something to do with this.

Yes, that's good advice for not moving the virus near your mouth, nose, or eyes.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Yeah but the virus doesn't enter through the skin of the hand. It gets transferred from the hand to mucuos membranes of the eyes and nose by facial rubbing. More to follow.

Yeah, "facial rubbing", rubbing face with contaminated hands.

eta: Here's a link that discusses exactly waht I brought up https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...es-could-show-true-scale-coronavirus-pandemic

That doesn't seem to have anything to do with what you said. Can you quote the part that supports "But other people have said that even immune people can act as carriers because they spread what they pick up without any replication."

 

[The Atheist]

It spreads by handshakes?

If you don't wash your hands afterwards, then definitely.

The evidence is building that hand -> mouth/eyes/nose is a major route for the virus.

That is indeed why hand-washing is top of the list of things to do.

 

[The Atheist]

Meanwhile, NZ, with a 50% increase in cases, is still taking no drastic measures and schools are staying open.

Happy times!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

What is your experience with in regards to healthcare workers getting tested? I wouldn't say they are going out of their way not to test them, but from people I know first move is for them to self quarantine, then check in days later to look for improvement if they are up to come back to work.

If we are prioritizing tests, they should be used on health care providers, particularly hospital workers first and continuously if need be. Not sure if this is specific to my area or the hospitals they happen to work at as opposed to general though.

In WA they are finally prioritizing testing health care workers now including EMS providers.

I don't believe you have to have symptoms.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

My last question was addressed to casebro who is claiming that people immune to corvid-19 can pass the virus along without replication and presumably he means without it replicating in their body. And he was replying to someone talking about why the virus is in nasal mucus. So my point is that I doubt nasal linings are a way it spreads in the cases he is talking about (assuming he's correct that such cases exist).

Nose, mouth and eyes are definitely the main ways it's expected to spread between people who are infected.


CDC says it can be spread by contact with surfaces.


Not that I know of. Mouth, nose, and eyes.


Yes, that's good advice for not moving the virus near your mouth, nose, or eyes.

Casebro's question/answers are based on a misunderstanding of biology.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Casebro's question/answers are based on a misunderstanding of biology.

And vacuum cleaner bags.

 

[The Atheist]

In fact, NZ is moving to complete shutdown from Wednesday.

All schools & non-essential workplaces will close.

 

[casebro]

My last question was addressed to casebro who is claiming that people immune to corvid-19 can pass the virus along without replication and presumably he means without it replicating in their body. And he was replying to someone talking about why the virus is in nasal mucus. So my point is that I doubt nasal linings are a way it spreads in the cases he is talking about (assuming he's correct that such cases exist).

Nose, mouth and eyes are definitely the main ways it's expected to spread between people who are infected.


CDC says it can be spread by contact with surfaces.


Not that I know of. Mouth, nose, and eyes.


Yes, that's good advice for not moving the virus near your mouth, nose, or eyes.

No, I'm saying the swab test that shows positive shows virus in the nose. Which does not necessarily mean you have the disease. But others assume you are a carrier even though without having the the disease you have not replicated .

I eagerly await anti-body infirmation. It will tell us who actually had the disease, crossmatch that data with whose swabs were positive and we will get an immunity rate. That should happen in days?

Meantime, Microsoft has teamed up with Illumina to use Microsoft's computer power and Illumina's genetics power to see which receptor the virus uses, and just who is immune. They'll get started next month.

 

[casebro]

In fact, NZ is moving to complete shutdown from Wednesday.

All schools & non-essential workplaces will close.

I remember 60 years ago telling them teachers that schools are non-esstential, but they threatened me with truancy and made me go. 60 years later I find it was just another time teachers lied to me.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

No, I'm saying ...

I'm not quoting the rest of your post because I think it's nonsense that shouldn't be repeated. Whatever the hell it is you think you're talking about can you cite some reputable source that claims the same thing you are?

Jesus, are you being paid to spread confusion?