2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 2

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Skeptical Greg said:
Should be easy to show one out of ~348 ..

Please explain the logistics of how that would be carried out. Not just the swabbing, but the process of carrying out the tests.

This would also include details of how President Trump could personally make this happen.
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You know damn well how incompetrump personally dismissed this virus, bragging about his meaningless move to block Chinese arriving from China (and not even blocking everyone)!

I posted links as to how he blocked the acquisition of tests from other countries.

And as for the logistics, listen to yourself. That's the whole ******* point! We aren't doing the tests because we don't have the capability to do them. We could have been doing widespread testing. OTHER COUNTRIES ARE DOING WIDESPREAD TESTING. Heck, even NY that went around the feds' barriers is doing more testing than the rest of the country.

Why are you denying the facts?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's a bit confusing to parse this double negative Politifact report:

Donald Trump falsely says WHO coronavirus test 'was a bad test'
True the test wasn't offered by WHO to the US. False it was a bad test.

The US refused to buy the German tests, or any other tests from China or elsewhere:


The United States badly bungled coronavirus testing—but things may soon improveSo are we as a country incompetent? Or is this the result of another incompetrump ball dropped?

May improve? That was a month ago and things have barely improved. Not to mention this is yet another meaningless gesture of closing the barn door after the horses are out.
The CDC or whomever produced the tests bungled them at the onset.


I hope you are paying attention to how much death and economic destruction in the US really can be blamed directly on incompetrump.
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I think it is better to call it a European test, because the senior author was Maria Zambon from VRL PHE.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...-assay-v1991527e5122341d99287a1b17c111902.pdf
What is interesting is that they had developed the test before the Chinese released the RNA sequences. They had developed series of tests using SARS then just chose the ones that would also detect SARS CoV 2.

I suspect much of the issue was that the whole process was Unamerican. The Chinese had released the sequence data on SARS CoV 2 without claiming IP, so no licensing was possible, likewise the European /WHO group published without registering IP. I think that such dangerously socialist concepts were unacceptable, and the CDC had to develop its own test with IP rights that could be monetised. My guess is the need to acquire IP rights caused the delay and poor performance of the test. It would certainly be interesting if a good journalist could get the behind the scenes drivers for the CDC wanting to develop its own test. It could have taken the published methodology and submitted it to the FDA for approval. (Just as European countries had to do to their respective medical device approval bodies.)
 
Minoosh said:
What about what?

If Trump tests positive he will no longer to be able to contend we had this virtually locked down back in January or whenever. A teachable moment for him and people who for unfathomable reasons trust him. A "You're doing a great job, Brownie" moment. And he will blame Pence, or more likely the media.
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I suspect some of them are covering some of the WH cases up. For example, testing at the beginning of the quarantine period and proclaiming themselves free and clear.

Both Trump and Pence have done that. Though I suspect incompetrump might be past the point of showing symptoms from his Mar-a-lago exposure, other people who were at the resort are starting to test positive. Trump's last day of potential exposure isn't really known.
 
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The political spills into the scientific arena when politicians in denial ignore scientific data. Trying to separate these two is hard, maybe impossible. Apologies if anyone thinks my posts are misplaced, but given the direction of the conversation it seemed appropriate. You can't really "quarantine" these two topics from each other; nations, which are run by politicians, are all running slightly different natural experiences.
 
Minoosh said:
The political spills into the scientific arena when politicians in denial ignore scientific data. Trying to separate these two is hard, maybe impossible. Apologies if anyone thinks my posts are misplaced, but given the direction of the conversation it seemed appropriate. You can't really "quarantine" these two topics from each other; nations, which are run by politicians, are all running slightly different natural experiences.
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I probably over-reacted and my post wasn't directed at you specifically, but this thread is in the science forum. There are many, many threads in the USA Politics for people to talk about politics.

It sort of reminds me of the NY Times, where you can hardly read a recipe without learning what the author thinks of Trump.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I probably over-reacted and my post wasn't directed at you specifically, but this thread is in the science forum. There are many, many threads in the USA Politics for people to talk about politics.

It sort of reminds me of the NY Times, where you can hardly read a recipe without learning what the author thinks of Trump.
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I think it's a mental illness. They're obsessed to the point of becoming delusional.

You can't say hello without getting an earful of their distorted views on society.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I probably over-reacted and my post wasn't directed at you specifically, but this thread is in the science forum. There are many, many threads in the USA Politics for people to talk about politics.

It sort of reminds me of the NY Times, where you can hardly read a recipe without learning what the author thinks of Trump.
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I thought of this thread as the general purpose, not specifically political, coronavirus thread. However, as Minoosh said, science and politics do intertwine. If public policy doesn't align with science, this seems like a place to note it. The fact that a U. S. Senator has been infected isn't a political statement, but rather a statement about the reach of the epidemic.

However, perhaps there was a better thread to put something like that out there? I thought it would be of interest to forumites that Senator Paul was infected, and this seemed like the place to do it. I didn't think it was worthy of its own thread, and I didn't know a better place to put it.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I'll be waiting on you to show actual examples. ( Just one at a time please. )You can start with one actual death that was caused by President Trump .

Meanwhile, if we had an infinite supply of tests, How would you suggest those tests be carried out? Just a brief logistical scenario.
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It's more or less impossible to prove a particular death was caused by Trump. That means your challenge is what it appears to be: vacuous posturing.
 
A good time to remember, "Address the argument, not the arguer."

I see a post above that is content-free from a science or informational point of view; it's carrying the conversation into a *purely* political direction and there are SCADS of threads for that.
 
Meadmaker said:
I thought of this thread as the general purpose, not specifically political, coronavirus thread. However, as Minoosh said, science and politics do intertwine. If public policy doesn't align with science, this seems like a place to note it. The fact that a U. S. Senator has been infected isn't a political statement, but rather a statement about the reach of the epidemic.

However, perhaps there was a better thread to put something like that out there? I thought it would be of interest to forumites that Senator Paul was infected, and this seemed like the place to do it. I didn't think it was worthy of its own thread, and I didn't know a better place to put it.
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I think you're probably right that that was as fine a place as any to do it. I saw the news on CNN right before reading your post and almost did the same myself. But the reaction once you posted that started heading into political ranting. And I think there's more than enough political ranting in the Politics and Social Issues subforms.

I have no standing here, and realize my complaining itself is a derail of sorts, but I remember when this place used to be much more of a science forum. I used to mostly lurk on the threads and at most ask a question to steer things because I usually felt I outclassed in scientific literacy in regards to the topic being posted. But many of those posters are gone (although some are still here in this thread) and this seems to be descending into just another version of the Politics subform.

So there you go. My self-refuting rant against rants.
 
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WAY more testing of non-symptomatic people could have been/can be done. The testing would not be for the purpose of medical treatment but for building a database of test results and context (exposed to a traveler, not exposed to a traveler, dose, etc.) that would tell us more about the incubation period and spreadability of the virus from people who aren't sick. You might be able to map community transfer that way and work up data on different response from different age groups. Etc. It might not affect treatment at all, but it would guide the public policy response.
 
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varwoche said:
I don't know exactly what it is you deem delusional. I do know, however, that Trump was calling corona a hoax, and otherwise minimizing it, at a time when it was obviously serious.
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You're imagining things.
 
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