Biden for President?

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JoeMorgue said:
Like I'm legit surprised at no point during the Golden Age of Comics a female Robin named Robinette appear in Batman.
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Heh. There was a female version of the Green Arrow called Miss Arrowette. No surprise, her quiver held a nail file arrow, a lotion arrow, a mirror arrow and a powder puff arrow.
 
Note to self: threatening someone with physical violence for saying something that you disagree with is presidential. Not just okay, but a desirable quality.
 
I think the whole thesis that the Berniebros here brought forward as proof of how Bernie was the best candidate to beat Trump has just been disproven; the vast number of young voters he would bring out did not even bother to show up in the primaries. and the blue collar workers went for Biden instead of Bernie.
In other words, the Progressive vote was nowhere as big as they though it was.
 
3point14 said:
What on earth are you on about? I don't have any policies.
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For ****'s sake, GENERAL "you".

I'm very interested in how you propose fixing any problem without being aware of the source of the problem.
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Now you're just being dishonest. I NEVER said the above. All I said is that not only was your comment about it a platitude, but that it didn't address my point about blaming entire generations rather than working towards a solution WITH them.

No, I didn't suggest telling anyone it was their fault. The conversation was about who is blamed and why.
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That's the SAME THING.
 
dudalb said:
I think the whole thesis that the Berniebros here brought forward as proof of how Bernie was the best candidate to beat Trump has just been disproven; the vast number of young voters he would bring out did not even bother to show up in the primaries. and the blue collar workers went for Biden instead of Bernie.
In other words, the Progressive vote was nowhere as big as they though it was.
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Yeah but just you watch, as soon as those damned boomers die out!
 
Dread Pirate Roberts said:
The Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act, Head Start, Medicare/Medicaid etc. were on the books by '65. Most baby boomers weren't even 17 years old then.
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Okay, this is a full-on factual smackdown and I'll cop to it without quibbling about laws passed in 1968.

I had to actually track down a few baby boomers to get a deeper and more salient reply. Here it is:
JJM; said:
Boomers' accomplishments were primarily social, but laws did change to reflect our values. Remember that in our generation, as in all others, most people are conservative and progressives are a minority. There was never a unified front on generational goals. Here are some of the ways we changed society: We ended the Vietnam War. We led the sexual revolution.We destigmatized drugs. We insisted on women's rights, gay rights, Native American rights, and laws changed. The tech revolution was led by Boomers: Apple and Microsoft were Boomer companies; IBM only got into PCs to smother the competition. Hippie ideals continue to influence dress, diet, sex, careerism and acquisitive materialism. You would have to have lived in the Fifties to really appreciate how much we changed the world.
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That's from a bonafide unreconstructed hippie.

As a shameless slacker from Gen X, I'm not really stanning for Boomers here, I just think they generally get a bad rap for what they changed in the Reagan era, as if they didn't exist and influence culture and politics prior thereto.
 
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The Generational Discussion might be worth spinning off into it's own thread, and I don't mean that snarkily it's a good topic for debate and points of view.

Any objections if I start one?
 
dudalb said:
I think the whole thesis that the Berniebros here brought forward as proof of how Bernie was the best candidate to beat Trump has just been disproven; the vast number of young voters he would bring out did not even bother to show up in the primaries. and the blue collar workers went for Biden instead of Bernie.
In other words, the Progressive vote was nowhere as big as they though it was.
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Meh, I thought Bernie had a slightly better chance at winning than Biden but I still think whoever wins the nomination (wink) will lose to Trump.
 
d4m10n said:
Not entirely sure what you are driving at here. Are you saying that age cohort lines drawn at 1946-1964 are less arbitrary than subsequent lines?
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Certainly, the '64 cut-off date becomes less hard and fast once Kim Thayil is factored into the equation.
 
dudalb said:
I think the whole thesis that the Berniebros here brought forward as proof of how Bernie was the best candidate to beat Trump has just been disproven; the vast number of young voters he would bring out did not even bother to show up in the primaries. and the blue collar workers went for Biden instead of Bernie.
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Now if we can just find a neutral (perhaps European) political scientist to explain this to them in a way that won't get their backs up.
 
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If it's so obvious, as you say, that Biden is losing it, then would you care to explain why millions of people don't see it the way you do?
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Delvo said:
By not having paid attention yet. That's always the biggest category in American election campaigns.

But Biden also has two other categories of supporters: those who know it and deny it, and those who know it and admit it. Both vote for him for some other reason, not because they really think he's all there. The main one they themselves give is "electability".

Presuming they manage to get him the nomination, watching them come up with the excuses when he loses the general election will be fascinating.
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Those are some theories you have there. What you're still saying is that Biden is clearly losing his mind but people are so stupid that they either can't see it or don't care if they do because they'd rather have a doddering, incoherent, drooling Biden in the WH than Sanders.

Not only are the public too stupid to see it or care, but there's a conspiracy among the Dem establishment, including the 12 former Biden endorsing candidates, to put a brain addled idiot into the most powerful position on earth.

We also have to believe that Biden's family, wife, friends and doctor know he has dementia but support his candidacy because...reasons. We also have to believe that either Biden doesn't know he is going bonkers or does know and decided to run for POTUS anyway.

Do you seriously think that mental health officials don't see those same videos? Dr. Lee has already said that she will only speak out (as she did with Trump) when she thinks someone is a danger to the American people and that Biden does not meet that. If that is so, then you must believe that she doesn't think a POTUS with dementia is dangerous.

On the other hand, we have people, mostly Sanders supporters, who think they can see what so many others can't (or won't) because they can diagnose dementia from some videos.

ETA: Not only the above, but Sanders is also the victim of a "biased press" and a conspiracy to change the debate rules to favor Biden. What next?
 
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Belz... said:
Yeah but just you watch, as soon as those damned boomers die out!
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I am seeing some Berniebros on other sites, openly cheering for the Corona Virus to kill off the Boomers....
I know this is just "Look at how edgy and daring I am" crap but still...
 
Elagabalus said:
Certainly, the '64 cut-off date becomes less hard and fast once Kim Thayil is factored into the equation.
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I never woulda guessed Soundgarten is Boomer music.

One last factoid on the generational thing, Biden is overperforming at getting votes among the age cohorts who overperform at casting votes.
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ETA: That's just Michigan, FYI.
 
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Elagabalus said:
Meh, I thought Bernie had a slightly better chance at winning than Biden but I still think whoever wins the nomination (wink) will lose to Trump.
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You seem to almost want that to happen....

Anyway, I think you are not reckoning in the huge impact the virus will have on the election.
 
Stacyhs said:
ETA: Not only the above, but Sanders is also the victim of a "biased press" and a conspiracy to change the debate rules to favor Biden. What next?
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Interesting use of quotations.

Do you believe Bernie got reasonable and unbiased press coverage?
 
dudalb said:
I think the whole thesis that the Berniebros here brought forward as proof of how Bernie was the best candidate to beat Trump has just been disproven; the vast number of young voters he would bring out did not even bother to show up in the primaries. and the blue collar workers went for Biden instead of Bernie.
In other words, the Progressive vote was nowhere as big as they though it was.
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If Bernie never gets the nomination, we'll never know how he might have fared in the general.

There seems to be a lot of people out there voting for Joe because he's "electable". Just because they think he's electable doesn't mean he actually is. It strikes me as a bit of circular reasoning. If he gets the nomination, I hope they turn out to be right.

has everyone forgot the confidence that was felt about the electable Clinton vs the moonshot Trump? I went to bed that night before the returns came in sure HRC would be the president. After all, she was the electable candidate, everyone said so. It wasn't even going to be close!
 
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dudalb said:
You seem to almost want that to happen....

Anyway, I think you are not reckoning in the huge impact the virus will have on the election.
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There's a calculation one can do:


How many people in age bracket x have to fall to a global pandemic before it becomes worth putting up Bernie rather than Joe?
 
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