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I don't see how any of that is relevant. It's up to the US to decide whether or not "you said something I don't like, therefore I'm going to threaten to instigate physical violence" is what they consider presidential behaviour. The last few years have shown that that's okay with the Republicans. It seems that the Democrats are leaning in that direction, too, now that it's one of their guys doing it.

People can decide for themselves whether or not this is a good thing.
Some of us feel that a person getting "in your face" is an aggressive act of itself, and that it is acceptable to respond in kind.
Further, behaving as if one is "above it all" is easily seen as cowardice disguised as arrogance. Meeting aggression with aggression is rarely appropriate- or productive, but every now and then it is the exact right response.
 
That, objectively speaking and backed up with facts and figures, Generation X was the first generation to ever have a standard of living lower than the one that preceded it.

The Baby Boomers were, in a very real and verifiable sense, the last generation who experienced "Things getting better."

Perhaps it's just Gen X apathy malaise, but it took me until my mid-thirties to really get established in life and career and solidly join the middle class. And as as result now that I'm in my mid-forties I'm tired. I just want to live quietly exactly as I do now, collect my money, retire, and eventually die. I don't like the current "system" but I'm finally doing well in it. I'd like improvement but am adverse to risk. If WW3 breaks out or corona turns into a Black Death style plague or the economy goes full Depression I'll probably just let myself die rather than deal with the fuss. I just don't have the energy to fix civilization.
 
That, objectively speaking and backed up with facts and figures, Generation X was the first generation to ever have a standard of living lower than the one that preceded it.

The Baby Boomers were, in a very real and verifiable sense, the last generation who experienced "Things getting better."
And things were improving for black baby-boomers at twice the rate that they were for white ones- those lucky bastards!
 
Perhaps it's just Gen X apathy malaise, but it took me until my mid-thirties to really get established in life and career and solidly join the middle class. And as as result now that I'm in my mid-forties I'm tired. I just want to live quietly exactly as I do now, collect my money, retire, and eventually die. I don't like the current "system" but I'm finally doing well in it. I'd like improvement but am adverse to risk. If WW3 breaks out or corona turns into a Black Death style plague or the economy goes full Depression I'll probably just let myself die rather than deal with the fuss. I just don't have the energy to fix civilization.
Youth is wasted on the young??
 
Perhaps it's just Gen X apathy malaise, but it took me until my mid-thirties to really get established in life and career and solidly join the middle class. And as as result now that I'm in my mid-forties I'm tired. I just want to live quietly exactly as I do now, collect my money, retire, and eventually die. I don't like the current "system" but I'm finally doing well in it. I'd like improvement but am adverse to risk. If WW3 breaks out or corona turns into a Black Death style plague or the economy goes full Depression I'll probably just let myself die rather than deal with the fuss. I just don't have the energy to fix civilization.

We are the disaffected creamy center between the Baby Boomers and the Millennials "We have very strong opinions about literally everything" halves of the Oreo cookie.

But I feel you. At 42 "Tired" sums it up very well. I've mentioned this before but George Carlin saying in the big Greatest Generation / Baby Boomer culture war of the 60s that he was "35 at time when everyone is either 18 or 60" speaks to me on a deep level right now.

Side effect of always being the passed over generation. Nothing much was expected of us, we don't expect much, and boy do we get it.
 
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We are the disaffected creamy center between the Baby Boomers and the Millennials "We have very strong opinions about literally everything" halves of the Oreo cookie.

But I feel you. At 42 "Tired" sums it up very well. I've mentioned this before but George Carlin saying in the big Greatest Generation / Baby Boomer culture war of the 60s that he was "35 at time when everyone is either 18 or 60" speaks to me on a deep level right now.

Side effect of always being the passed over generation. Nothing much was expected of us, we don't expect much, and boy do we get it.
Clearly, we were the apogee of civilization.
Simple physics dictate that it will now return to the mean.
 
We are the disaffected creamy center between the Baby Boomers and the Millennials "We have very strong opinions about literally everything" halves of the Oreo cookie.

But I feel you. At 42 "Tired" sums it up very well. I've mentioned this before but George Carlin saying in the big Greatest Generation / Baby Boomer culture war of the 60s that he was "35 at time when everyone is either 18 or 60" speaks to me on a deep level right now.

Side effect of always being the passed over generation. Nothing much was expected of us, we don't expect much, and boy do we get it.

Those of us weary I think mostly vaguely agree with the millennials but don't have as much skin in that game and are just over it as to dealing with the boomers.

On the other hand, there is nothing on earth more boomer than a gen Xer that hates millennials.
 
Probably because they inherited a prosperous society and handed us over this pile of crap. They have been abysmal stewards of the tremendous gifts they are given, and are totally unapologetic about it.

I swear to God if I hear another story about how some dimwit from the 60's worked part time to pay their college tuition I'm going to pop. Maybe it's because I keep getting asked by clueless Boomers why I'm not having kids while my wife and I are paying 1/3 of our income aggressively towards student debt. If nothing bad happens, we might finally be debt free in our 40's. Just in time for infertility to kick in.

Yes, as a late Gen Xer, I know the feeling. "You should never take on debt to go to school. Also, Have you considered becoming a Doctor/Teacher/engineer/etc.?" Even back in the mid 90s, the parents at the Private school I managed to attend fretted about the "high number" of graduates attending public university. The teachers explained that it was always the same group - the kids from working/middle class families, who absolutely had to take cost into account.

He had four years to address his lack of support among black Democrats, and has done next to zero to do so. He seems to be convinced that since on the whole black Democrats like his policies more that should be the end of it. It isn't. The relationship black Democrats have with the party is, especially in the south, something it appears Sanders still doesn't get.

I keep telling y'all, black people lean more conservative than white Americans do, and this shouldn't surprise anyone. What they aren't, however, are reactionary racists who want to drain their wealth and give it to white people (and to be clear, that's the actual history of wealth transfer in the US, and what the GOP keeps serving up), which is what the GOP continues to propose. And frankly, many of them don't particularly trust white people to turn out and vote for Sanders, much less a Congress that will support any part of his platform. Hell, last presidential election most white voters went with the money-laundering, white supremacist scam artist whose words straight up sounded like he wanted to see a lynching, so you might understand why they aren't so trusting.

Older black voters, in particular, are *very* strategic with their vote - especially since it's often a choice between the guy that promises to lock up your kids, and the guy that promises to let police shoot them with high-powered rifles when they were just walking down the street. Also, some folks are really antisemitic, but that's true of most groups, and they'd usually sit elections out anyway. That's why that fake LBJ quote about how the CRA would "have those ******* voting democrat for the next 200 years" amused me. I just think, well, even if it were true, he still passed Civil Rights, Voting Rights, and Fair Housing.

I'd assumed he'd addressed this in some meaningful way, but it appears I was dead wrong. There are going to be a lot of Sanders supporters, mostly white, saying either directly or by vague implication that it is the fault of the black vote that Bernie lost, and not the fault of Bernie for not speaking to their concerns.

Sanders is the only guy that would go to a town like Flint, and sit in front of a nearly all-white audience talking to Michael Moore and Cornel West (who has seen his popularity really decline due to his public fued with Obama, and any black person that supported him, over an Inauguration ticket). The Jesse Jackson endorsement was too little too late, and the man managed to avoid any discussion with the CBC *and* skipped the Selma anniversary.
 
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Those of us weary I think mostly vaguely agree with the millennials but don't have as much skin in that game and are just over it as to dealing with the boomers.

On the other hand, there is nothing on earth more boomer than a gen Xer that hates millennials.

I can't see hating millenials, but I admit to being frequently confused by them. They willingly wear glasses, for one thing. I was bullied for years for wearing glasses before I was old enough to get contacts, and now nobody ever sees me in glasses. They don't seem to use bar soap, every younger man I happen to shower with lately seems to expect there to be "body wash" rather than actual soap. And their jeans are repellant in cut, far too high in the ankles and far too low in the waist and far too tight everywhere else. Is there a denim shortage that necessitates using less material? And they get on my lawn....
 
At the risk of this thread devolving into an inter-generational slapfight the difference is the Baby Boomers are actually a legit thing while other generations (or demographic cohorts to use the technical term) really aren't.
 
That, objectively speaking and backed up with facts and figures, Generation X was the first generation to ever have a standard of living lower than the one that preceded it.

The Baby Boomers were, in a very real and verifiable sense, the last generation who experienced "Things getting better."

Which does not necessarily support the claim that the Baby Boomers somehow made something specific and special that made it happen. Civilisation downturns happen. Also, "first ever"? Within what period?
 
Sanders' appeal in 2016 was that he wasn't Clinton.
But Biden isn't Clinton, despite effort to paint him with the same brush.
 
At the risk of this thread devolving into an inter-generational slapfight the difference is the Baby Boomers are actually a legit thing while other generations (or demographic cohorts to use the technical term) really aren't.

Not entirely sure what you are driving at here. Are you saying that age cohort lines drawn at 1946-1964 are less arbitrary than subsequent lines?
 
Not entirely sure what you are driving at here. Are you saying that age cohort lines drawn at 1946-1964 are less arbitrary than subsequent lines?

Somewhat.

It gets complicated, but the massive population boom post WWII is what makes the Baby Boomers a meaningful demographic.

The edges are just too fuzzy for everyone else. People weren't being born all at the same time.

In other words you don't have to look at this chart:

https://i2.wp.com/www.prb.org/wp-co...-figure1.gif?w=570&crop=0,0px,100,300px&ssl=1

for long before you realize why one period might be distinct from the others.

Since about 1970ish the birthrate has stayed pretty stable, there's been no big "Booms" of people coming all at one time.
 
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Again, what makes you think it's any different from any other generation?

Why do you think I think that?

Why do you think it matters?

You asked, I answered, pretty accurately, I think. "Everyone else was doing it" didn't work with my mother when I was 12, what makes you think it's a valid excuse for ******* up the world so thoroughly?

If I accept your objection above, that doesn't actually leave us anywhere else does it?
 
Not entirely sure what you are driving at here. Are you saying that age cohort lines drawn at 1946-1964 are less arbitrary than subsequent lines?

Somewhat.

It gets complicated, but the massive population boom post WWII is what makes the Baby Boomers a meaningful demographic.

The edges are just too fuzzy for everyone else. People weren't being born all at the same time.

In other words you don't have to look at this chart:

https://i2.wp.com/www.prb.org/wp-co...-figure1.gif?w=570&crop=0,0px,100,300px&ssl=1

for long before you realize why one period might be distinct from the others.

Since about 1970ish the birthrate has stayed pretty stable, there's been no big "Booms" of people coming all at one time.

Further information: The US Census itself only recognizes the Baby Boomers as a generation.

The unofficial government arbiter of what is and isn't a generation is the Census Bureau. Its catalog of aggregated data on the lives of Americans recognizes only one official generation: The Baby Boomers. Howard Hogan, the bureau's chief demographer, explained why in an e-mail to the Post. "The Baby Boom is distinguished by a dramatic increase in birth rates following World War II and comprises one of the largest generations in U.S. history," Hogan wrote. "Unlike the baby boom generation, the birth years and characteristics for other generations are not as distinguishable and there are varying definitions used by the public." So the Census Bureau will put together numbers for Boomers, because that's a real, demographic generation. It doesn't release numbers on "Millennials" because you made that term up.

Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/01/your-generational-identity-is-a-lie/
 
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