Biden for President?

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So lets get this topic back to Biden. He runs for president in 1988 but pulls out of the race after being caught lying about his academic record and a history of plagiarism is exposed. So Dems are going to back a ****** candidate because he will stack the judiciary the right way, while they ignore or engage in apologetics for such bs behaviour.

Sounds like a familiar story.
 
Shadowdweller said:
Just, you know, a thought here - have you all ever considered the possibility that 1) deriding, dismissing, and/or demonizing Sanders supporters as "BernieBros" and then 2) getting behind a candidate that progressives can't stand is actually an UTTERLY ******* STUPID idea if you hope to build a coalition that can beat Trump?
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Will you say the same thing about the Bernie Bros who have been deriding, dismissing and demonizing "Centrists" and "Moderates" from day one?
 
dudalb said:
Will you say the same thing about the Bernie Bros who have been deriding, dismissing and demonizing "Centrists" and "Moderates" from day one?
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Biden is the centrist hack, prone to brain melts, a history of lies and plagiarism who won’t tax the wealthy or put American workers first. We can understand why billionaires want you to get behind him and defend him, but you aren’t a billionaire though are you?
 
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Sideroxylon said:
Biden is the centrist hack, prone to brain melts, a history of lies and plagiarism who won’t tax the wealthy or put American workers first. We can understand why billionaires want you to get behind him and defend him, but you aren’t a billionaire though are you?
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Biden actually favors raising taxes on corporations and wealthiest Americans.

I don't know the specifics though.
 
Venom said:
Biden actually favors raising taxes on corporations and wealthiest Americans.

I don't know the specifics though.
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If you think that is a good idea to spend more money on education and healthcare for the poor, while addressing the imbalance between the interests of American workers and obscene wealth, you are going to love Sanders.

What is this flaky, lying plagiarist going to deliver for American workers?
 
dudalb said:
Will you say the same thing about the Bernie Bros who have been deriding, dismissing and demonizing "Centrists" and "Moderates" from day one?
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Since moderates are also vital to defeating Trump (if for no other reason)? Sure, yes I will. But though I admit I might be biased, I haven't once noticed the froth-flecked ravings attacking moderates, centrists, or specifically Biden's supporters as opposed to criticism levied at the candidate himself. Beyond maybe some nebulous idea of "big-business" or "billionaire elites" that I don't think are overly represented among the so-called centrists on these boards.
 
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Shadowdweller said:
Just, you know, a thought here - have you all ever considered the possibility that 1) deriding, dismissing, and/or demonizing Sanders supporters as "BernieBros" and then 2) getting behind a candidate that progressives can't stand is actually an UTTERLY ******* STUPID idea if you hope to build a coalition that can beat Trump?
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By pushing for another round of the Hillary-Kerry-Gore-Dukakis-Mondale approach, only creepier and more sadly & self-aggrandizingly dishonest/delusional, they've already proven that they don't care about beating Trump.
 
Biden’s 1988 run is a poor portrait of character. Let’s here some apologetics on that. Or are we still waiting for some talking head on CNN or MSNBC to feed the talking points?
 
Segnosaur said:
Biden would not nominate hard-right judges, which would give the republicans even more ability to corrupt the political system in the future (and putting abortion rights at risk).

Biden would not engage in any more environmental and/or financial deregulation.

Biden would reverse various racist policies (such as the border wall, and locking up children in cages)
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OK, I'll go along with a couple of the Biden supporter premises here for the sake of a question.

Premise 1: With the help of an economic crash and/or a virus and the easiest-to-beat opponent in American history, the known history of how successful campaigns of the Hillary-Kerry-Gore-Dukakis-Mondale type are means nothing or suddenly magically reverses itself this time, and Biden gets in.

Premise 2: Biden's own history of acting like a Republican means nothing or suddenly magically reverses itself this time, and we get a few years of things "only" getting worse deceptively slowly as they have for decades (including with Bill & Barrack) instead of getting worse faster. Yay.

Then what? What effect do you expect from the "hey, running a republican in Democrats' clothing finally worked" phenomenon on later elections for any candidate who might be at all interested in actually trying to make things better?
 
Delvo said:
By pushing for another round of the Hillary-Kerry-Gore-Dukakis-Mondale approach, only creepier and more sadly & self-aggrandizingly dishonest/delusional, they've already proven that they don't care about beating Trump.
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As opposed to merely having different ideas about how best to accomplish that?
 
JoeMorgue said:
We are not voting for President in 2020.

We're voting on at least 2 Supreme Court Justices. We're voting on the next Secretary of Labor, of Education. We're voting on dozens of Federal Judges. We've voting on whether or not there will be Social Security when you retire.

Trump is none of those things. If you think Sanders is all of those things you have to at least accept that Biden would be some of those things.
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Bob001 said:
Let's just note here that a major factor in Clinton's loss was her smug certainty that she would win, supported by most polls. People who would have voted for Clinton decided not to stand in line in the cold and rain and snow in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania because they thought their votes weren't needed. If she had ended every speech with "I need every vote! I need your vote!," that might have made a difference. Nobody will make that mistake this time around.
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Oh, be fair: She did say, "Pokemon Go to the Polls!"
 
Delvo said:
...we get a few years of things "only" getting worse deceptively slowly as they have for decades (including with Bill & Barrack) instead of getting worse faster. Yay.
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Other than college tuition, what metrics are you looking at?
 
Delvo said:
What I wish were around the corner is not a revolution but more people realizing & admitting that there's nothing revolutionary about Sanders at all. He wants what most Americans want.
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Actually no he doesn't.

First of all, his signature 'BernieCare' health care plan (where private insurance is outlawed) is preferred by only a tiny minority of Americans. More Americans either want universal coverage/private options (closer to what the moderates want). Heck, there are more Americans who want to maintain the status quo or even reduce government spending on health care than want BernieCare.

(And please, don't try to hand me that bunk about how "gosh darn... polls show people want universal health care". Yes, they do, but not the way Sanders wants to enact it.)

Some of his other plans may not be as popular as you might think... polls about free college are at best mixed. (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...s-support-wealth-tax-oppose-free-college-poll).

Secondly, in some cases what people find 'popular' is often quite complex and often contradictory. Some new social program may sound good to a lot of people, but if taxes have to increase to pay for it, support will often drop.

Lastly, in some cases, Sanders might have policies that are popular, but those same policies are shared by many/most other Democratic politicians. He may be in favor of (for example) abortion rights and gay marriage, but then so is Biden. So was Bloomberg.

So Sander's polices are a collection of things that aren't really as popular as you might think and things that are popular but are shared by almost all Democratic politicians.
 
Delvo said:
OK, I'll go along with a couple of the Biden supporter premises here for the sake of a question.

Then what? What effect do you expect from the "hey, running a republican in Democrats' clothing finally worked" phenomenon on later elections for any candidate who might be at all interested in actually trying to make things better?
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Sigh.....

Seriously? Is your view of politics so skewed that you can't recognize the political differences between a republican (i.e. the group that gave us tax cuts for the wealthy) and moderate democrats like Biden/Bloomberg (who want to increase taxes on the rich), just because they aren't doing exactly the same things that Sanders is doing?

Do you honestly consider everyone who ISN'T sanders to be some sort of right-wing fascist?

This candidate pushed for universal health care! Are they going to outlaw private insurance? No. FASCIST!

This candidate wants to improve access to education. Are they going to implement free college for everyone? No. FASCIST!
 
Private health is “outlawed.” Prohibition didn’t work though did it? American’s will be flocking to the speakeasies again to pay some jacked up premium on something that will be free and get shafted by non coverage payments when they get ill.
 
Anyway this thread is about Biden so lets hear some of you gloss over the scandals that forced Joe out of his 1988 campaign. Or are we still waiting on those talking points to come in?
 
Shadowdweller said:
Just, you know, a thought here - have you all ever considered the possibility that 1) deriding, dismissing, and/or demonizing Sanders supporters as "BernieBros" and then 2) getting behind a candidate that progressives can't stand is actually an UTTERLY ******* STUPID idea if you hope to build a coalition that can beat Trump?
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Keep in mind that this is a relatively small internet discussion forum. Whatever we do is unlikely to impact the election in any way. And even if we do criticize Sanders supporters, compared to what some of them do, our criticism is small potatoes.

Now, if you had evidence of one of the major candidates attacking a segment of the Democratic base, then it would be a cause for concern.

Oh wait! We had that happen... when the Sanders campaign criticized Democratic party "elites". (which is a stupid since he will need their support should he become the nominee.)

I should admit that I am incorrectly using the term 'BernieBro'. The word was meant to criticize a certain type of Sanders supporter, and it is common to apply it more widely than the original usage implied.
 
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