Merged 2019-nCoV / Corona virus

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The cruise ship in Japan really mystifies me! Didn’t the private and government people in charge bring in trained epidemiologists as consultants? How could they have done the attempted quarantine so badly? There are some universal basics that appear to have been ignored.
 
More than 80% of patients have mild disease and will recover, 14% have severe disease including pneumonia and shortness of breath, 5% have critical disease including respiratory failure, septic shock and multi-organ failure, and 2% of cases are fatal,. The risk of death increases the older you are.
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Coronavirus live updates: China deaths rise by 98 amid Cambodia ship concerns – latest news

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...t-news?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
 
The Atheist said:
I think they're overstating the serious cases by a factor of 10. A 2% death rate would mean at least 90 million dead and I don't see the numbers showing that in any way.
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The cruise liners don't support that, although the age distribution may be skewed to having less elderly people and more younger people.
 
Fukushima staff could use raincoats as coronavirus threatens gear production

TOKYO (AFP) - Workers at Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant may need to wear plastic raincoats as the coronavirus outbreak threatens production of protective suits in China, the operator warned on Tuesday (Feb 18).

Staff cleaning up the plant wear special plastic overcoats to prevent radioactive dust settling on clothes or the body and the TEPCO operator gets through 6,000 per day.

But a TEPCO spokesman told AFP "we could have difficulties getting certain specific items from our usual suppliers" because of the COVID-19 outbreak.
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https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/e...oats-as-coronavirus-threatens-gear-production

They use 6,000 per day?

:jaw-dropp
 
a_unique_person said:
The cruise liners don't support that, although the age distribution may be skewed to having less elderly people and more younger people.
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Nope, it's still the opposite for cruisers, which have a median passenger age of 46 against the world median of 30.

The cruise passengers are being identified as infected very early in the piece, so the numbers there aren't reliable yet anyway.
 
Our media is trying to use 'anti chinese racism" from the corona virus to explain why our downtown has been trashed and encamped by record numbers of homeless for the last five years. So you guys just need to know that hawaii has had this corona virus for five years and we all knew about it, so all of us chinese hate the chinese

or something.

They forgot they had much the same pictures and video last year before all of this https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/...mages-new-chinatown-website-aim-spark-change/
 
pipelineaudio said:
Our media is trying to use 'anti chinese racism" from the corona virus to explain why our downtown has been trashed and encamped by record numbers of homeless for the last five years. So you guys just need to know that hawaii has had this corona virus for five years and we all knew about it, so all of us chinese hate the chinese

or something.
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I have no idea about Hawaii, but there isn't any doubt Covid-19 has been used as an excuse for racist actions right across the world.

Even in NZ, with zero cases, we've had a Chinese doctor abused on a bus and told to "go home", and Real Kiwi parents targeting Asian parents telling them keep their "filthy" bodies out of our schools.
 
theprestige said:
They're quite rightly concerned about the looming spectre of millions of deaths worldwide due to inadequate quarantining. Drastic times call for drastic measures. That's not racism, it's just common sense in extreme conditions.
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Wow. If one actually reads the article your description of these incredibly racist and nasty actions as "common sense' reaches the level of strongly disgusting. Please note that I am not describing you as disgusting. I don't know you, and I suspect that you often post just for the "fun" of raising up a debate. I do not like entering into artificial arguments but in this case I had to respond. But I am attacking the post and not the poster.
 
The Atheist said:
I have no idea about Hawaii, but there isn't any doubt Covid-19 has been used as an excuse for racist actions right across the world.
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We're all chinese here. And have articles going back years showing how trashed downtown has gotten, including the one linked there
 
Seattle will now begin testing people for COVID-19 if they come in a clinic with flu-like symptoms and tests for flu are negative.
 
Darat said:
I would say because for the conformable class the lives of the people who do their work are rarely of concern and never in the forefront of their minds. Not one of the reports I read until recently mentioned any crew, it was all about passengers being put out.
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The cruise industry has a long tradition of covering up any illness (or misbehavior) among the crew. Norvirus outbreaks on ships are frequent, but somehow never affect the crew.
 
From ProMed today (multiple reports):

https://promedmail.org/promed-post/?id=6999424
COVID-19 seems to have different epidemiological characteristics from SARS-CoV. COVID-19 replicates efficiently in the upper respiratory tract and appears to cause less abrupt onset of symptoms, similar to conventional human coronaviruses that are a major cause of common colds in the winter season (8). Infected individuals produce a large quantity of virus in the upper respiratory tract during a prodrome period, are mobile, and carry on usual activities, contributing to the spread of infection. By contrast, transmission of SARS-CoV did not readily occur during the prodromal period when those infected were mildly ill, and most transmission is thought to have occurred when infected individuals presented with severe illness, thus possibly making it easier to contain the outbreaks SARS-CoV caused, unlike the current outbreaks with COVID-19 (6).

COVID-19 also has affinity for cells in the lower respiratory tract and can replicate there, causing radiological evidence of lower respiratory tract lesions in patients who do not present with clinical pneumonia (8). There seem to be 3 major patterns of the clinical course of infection: mild illness with upper respiratory tract presenting symptoms; non-life-threatening pneumonia; and severe pneumonia with acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) that begins with mild symptoms for 7-8 days and then progresses to rapid deterioration and ARDS requiring advanced life support (WHO EDCARN clinical telephone conference on COVID-19, personal communication with Myoung-don Oh [Seoul National University Hospital] and Yinzhong Shen [Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center]).
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And one can post all the tentative fatality rates one wants but:
The actual case fatality ratio of infection with COVID-19 will eventually be based on all clinical illness and at the time of writing information on subclinical infection is not available and awaits the development of serological tests and serosurveys.
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A study of a large study of all confirmed cases of COVID-2 reported to the Chinese National Health Information System as of 11 Feb 2020, found among other things:
Conclusions
COVID-19 epidemic has spread very quickly taking only 30 days to expand from Hubei to the rest of Mainland China. With many people returning from a long holiday, China needs to prepare for the possible rebound of the epidemic. ...

A sobering set of analyses in the baseline characteristics of the cases was the age specific case fatality rates (CFR). The overall CFR among the 72 000+ cases analyzed was 2.3 %. In the 0-9 years the CFR was 0 as no deaths were reported out of 416 cases; in the 10-19 years, 20-29 years and 30-39 years age groups the CFR was 0.2%. In the 40-49 years, the CFR was 0.4%, the 50-59 years 1.3 %, 60-69 years 3.6 %, 70-79% 8.0% and the 80 years or older 14.8%.

CFRs by type of co-morbidities: cardiovascular disease 10.5%, diabetes 7.3%, chronic respiratory disease 6.3%, hypertension 6.0%, cancer 5.6%, and none 2.6%
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Re the cruise ship in Japan:
That would take the total number of positive cases on the Diamond Princess to 454.
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