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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 3

shuttlt said:
What are you talking about with single poles? That graph is the aggregate. He is similar in approval to Obama at this stage in the aggregate.
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But he is consistently unpopular. Obama wasn't. Trump's popularity hasn't really changed. Obama's did.
 
uke2se said:
But he is consistently unpopular. Obama wasn't. Trump's popularity hasn't really changed. Obama's did.
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We will see. Personally my prediction is that his popularity will increase going into the election once he has somebody to run against.
 
His approval numbers have been low, but relatively stable. His economic approval numbers are substantially higher than his general... if he wasn't such a troll his approval numbers may well have been higher at some point, but considering the circumstances, I don't see that general number fluctuating by much in the foreseeable future
 
Grizzly Bear said:
His approval numbers have been low, but relatively stable. His economic approval numbers are substantially higher than his general... if he wasn't such a troll his approval numbers may well have been higher at some point, but considering the circumstances, I don't see that general number fluctuating by much in the foreseeable future
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A lot of people who like some of his policies would support him more if he wasn't such an idiot Scammer.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
His approval numbers have been low, but relatively stable. His economic approval numbers are substantially higher than his general... if he wasn't such a troll his approval numbers may well have been higher at some point, but considering the circumstances, I don't see that general number fluctuating by much in the foreseeable future
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Surely in the not too distant foreseeable future he will be running against a particular opponent. You don't think that will make a difference?
 
shuttlt said:
Surely in the not too distant foreseeable future he will be running against a particular opponent. You don't think that will make a difference?
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It will make more of a difference, in a sense it will be easier, for a Dem to go up against just Trump. Going up against others on the left is more complicated. They aren't ridiculously corrupt, they don't constantly berate and insult everyone they come in contact with, they (generally) aren't accused of multiple sexual assaults.

I know where we're at right now, and I've read all the numbers; however, the attack ads, the reminders of all of the **** he's done that we have forgotten about, the insults to the handicapped, cutting our resources, tax breaks for the rich, etc. Donald Trump is a veritable mine of stupidity, and complete dickish behavior. The Dems, even the worst, aren't. Focusing on Trump will be much easier once the Dem field has been decided.
 
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Hello, Americans. Look at your president, now back to Kim, now back at your president, now back to Kim. Thankfully, your president isn’t Kim, but if he keeps being surrounded by spineless sycophants, he might start acting like Kim. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re on 5th Avenue with the dictator your president could be. What’s in his hand, back at your president, he has it. It’s a gun. Look again, the gun is now smoking, and a body is bleeding out at his feet. Nobody cares. Anything is possible if the spoiled child thinks he can get away with it.
 
Tero said:
well, Trump is not going to be convicted
but even a 50/50 vote would be a great embarrassment
it was for Bill
he got 55/45 and 50/50 on the two charges
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Is it though? His popularity looks to have gone up. His approval amongst Republicans is like 95%. He is a heel. Impeachment strikes me as a Trophy.

People will be talking about him as long as the republic survives.
 
Cabbage said:
We've been over this. About 50% of midterm elections going back to 1947 have had 37 or more seats flip. The results were deeply, deeply average.
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I question how significant that average really is. Is it truly representative of your typical, average flip? I really don't think it is. (Not all averages are, you know). For example, out of the past 13 midterms, only 3 had larger flips than 2018. That does not strike me as "deeply, deeply average".
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The other thing I would question is the impact of tactics like Gerrymandering and Voter suppression.

Yes, those things may have existed back in the 50s/60s/70s. But, they appear to be much more prevalent now, and more importantly they seem to be very one-sided in favor of the republicans. So the Democrats flipped 41 seats... how many COULD they have flipped without some of the republican dirty tactics?

https://time.com/5449459/midterm-elections-2018-results-gerrymandering/
 
plague311 said:
It will make more of a difference, in a sense it will be easier, for a Dem to go up against just Trump. Going up against others on the left is more complicated. They aren't ridiculously corrupt, they don't constantly berate and insult everyone they come in contact with, they (generally) aren't accused of multiple sexual assaults.
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We will see. My money is on their attacks doing next to nothing to him as he's been accused of all the worst things in the world already, survived Mueller, impeachment and everything else. If something happens that, after all this, suddenly causes people to develop a negative opinion of him, it will certainly be popcorn worthy. Better than evens, if its going badly, they try to Kavanaugh him.

plague311 said:
I know where we're at right now, and I've read all the numbers; however, the attack ads, the reminders of all of the **** he's done that we have forgotten about, the insults to the handicapped, cutting our resources, tax breaks for the rich, etc. Donald Trump is a veritable mine of stupidity, and complete dickish behavior. The Dems, even the worst, aren't. Focusing on Trump will be much easier once the Dem field has been decided.
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From where I'm sitting, he's been on the wrong end of a non-stop attack ad for the last 4 years. At this point, I suspect it makes him stronger.

As the saying goes - Never wrestle a pig. You just get dirty and the pig enjoys it.
 
shuttlt said:
Is it though? His popularity looks to have gone up. His approval amongst Republicans is like 95%. He is a heel. Impeachment strikes me as a Trophy.

People will be talking about him as long as the republic survives.
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They still talk about Benidict Arnold, but that doesn't mean much it how they talk about him.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
They still talk about Benidict Arnold, but that doesn't mean much it how they talk about him.
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Perhaps.... I'd be going with more like a Jefferson Davis/Abraham Lincoln thing where it very much depends on your perspective and how history plays out. Either way, he will be remembered as a significant figure. For him to be remembered like Benedict Arnold, Mueller would have had to have reported something definitive.
 
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shuttlt said:
Is it though? His popularity looks to have gone up.
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His popularity did increase to 49% in a Gallup poll taken around the impeachment proceedings
- Prior to the acquittal, some polls showed a plurality (and in some polls a majority) of voters actually thought he should be removed from office.
- Multiple polls taken around the end of the trial still show his popularity is still under water. For example, of the 6 polls taken in February, 5 of them show the president's disapproval being at least 6% higher than his approval rating. The only one that showed a 'tie' was the Rasmussen poll, which tends to skew higher in favor of Trump.

Given the evidence, I would suggest waiting a week or 2 to see if Trump's popularity has actually gone up, or whether the Gallup poll is some sort of outlier.
 
Segnosaur said:
His popularity did increase to 49% in a Gallup poll taken around the impeachment proceedings
- Prior to the acquittal, some polls showed a plurality (and in some polls a majority) of voters actually thought he should be removed from office.
- Multiple polls taken around the end of the trial still show his popularity is still under water. For example, of the 6 polls taken in February, 5 of them show the president's disapproval being at least 6% higher than his approval rating. The only one that showed a 'tie' was the Rasmussen poll, which tends to skew higher in favor of Trump.

Given the evidence, I would suggest waiting a week or 2 to see if Trump's popularity has actually gone up, or whether the Gallup poll is some sort of outlier.
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Sure, i don't disagree... I just don't see that him being underwater as being a problem at this point.
 
shuttlt said:
We will see. My money is on their attacks doing next to nothing to him as he's been accused of all the worst things in the world already, survived Mueller, impeachment and everything else. If something happens that, after all this, suddenly causes people to develop a negative opinion of him, it will certainly be popcorn worthy. Better than evens, if its going badly, they try to Kavanaugh him.
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He didn't survive impeachment, he was impeached. I can't debate you because we have no middle ground. You're convinced one way, I, the other. So I'll just say, "ok".

shuttlt said:
From where I'm sitting, he's been on the wrong end of a non-stop attack ad for the last 4 years. At this point, I suspect it makes him stronger.

As the saying goes - Never wrestle a pig. You just get dirty and the pig enjoys it.
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:rolleyes::thumbsup:
 
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