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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 3

Segnosaur said:
I do think context is important here.

I do not blame a government if they end up with a deficit (even an increasing one) during a recession. After all, revenues will automatically drop at those times (decreased tax revenue due to business contraction) and expenditures will increase. And, it should be pointed out that by the end of Obama's first term the deficit had peaked and was already heading back down.

As I pointed out, I dislike deficits when they occur during times of economic expansion (as is currently happening under Trump).
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I think context is imperative.

Most people don't have a clue about economics. All deficits are no equal and deficits are not necessarily a bad thing. They can be a very good thing. I know that is hard to believe or understand when they are not likely to be good for us personally. But there is a huge difference between macroeconomics and our personal finances or even how a large corporation manages theirs. This country's wealth and power can be partially attributed to deficits.

Consider deficits to be investments. What matters is what the country is spending its money on. If we spend that money on education and infrastructure, that investment is likely to pay off.

Viewing the raw numbers of our National Debt is meaningless by itself. There is no context. Instead view deficits in relation to the GDP and who holds that debt.
 
You're both wrong. The fact is that deficits don't matter if a Republican is POTUS. They only matter when a Democrat is in the oval office.......
 
The deficit was also massively increased because Bush hadn't bothered to roll in the costs of his wars to the budget, Obama insisted that they be counted.
 
https://twitter.com/AlexNBCNews/status/1225255050282520576

Schiff on @MSNBC: I can tell you that after the Senate voted not to hear witnesses...we did approach John Bolton’s counsel, asked if Mr. Bolton would be willing to submit an affidavit under oath, describing what he observed in terms of the Prez’s Ukraine misconduct & he refused
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There was absolutely nothing preventing him from talking to the press, either.
 
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Upchurch said:
I mean, damn. That was a tough call.

Who among us is prescient enough to have guessed how Trump would have gone on learning the lesson that bad actions lead to bad consequences when Collins helped teach the lesson by shielding Trump's bad actions from having any bad consequences? It was the perfect* lesson.



* "perfect" as defined in the post-factual Age of Trump
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Nonetheless her behavior was called out at least a week (or more) in advance by several users on Twitter (and other places I'm sure, maybe even here). Whenever she spoke about her view I'd see comments like, 'Just get back in line with the GOP and then pretend you made a mistake after'. I'm not overly familiar with her, and really don't care to research her much, but apparently from what I have read this is pretty standard for her. From what I can tell with regards to Kavanaugh and this event, it certainly seems like her MO.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
One reason I did not vote for Obama the second time around was due to the amount the deficit and debt had grown under his watch. This after he had called the increase in debt under Bush “unpatriotic”. At that point I still saw the Republicans as the party of fiscal responsibility. And maybe under Romney it could have been.

But it very clearly no longer is in the Age of Trump.
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It is also no longer the party of 'family values'...whatever that's supposed to mean.
 
Oh that Acquittal Celebration ramble today...! I was dozing off for some of it but woke up often enough to say "???What?!?"
 
Segnosaur said:
She now claims she misspoke. Instead of saying she 'believed' the president learned a lesson, she is now saying she had 'hoped' the president had learned a lesson.

She now says she "may not be correct on that". A little too late, don't you think?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...bout-trump-learning-a-lesson-are-aspirational
"I hoped that the president would’ve learned from the fact that he was impeached by the House," Collins said...When pressed on why she believed he'd a learned a lesson, then, Collins said, "Well, I may not be correct on that."
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So since that is what she based her vote on, can she now say that she made a mistake on that, too?
 
Trump just said this:

“Had I not fired James Comey...I wouldn't be standing here right now.”

Nearly confessing to the Obstruction charge Mueller had outlined.

Damn I wish they had included that in their Articles of Impeachment.

And yes I know I sound like a broken record.
 
Segnosaur said:
She now claims she misspoke. Instead of saying she 'believed' the president learned a lesson, she is now saying she had 'hoped' the president had learned a lesson.

She now says she "may not be correct on that". A little too late, don't you think?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...bout-trump-learning-a-lesson-are-aspirational
"I hoped that the president would’ve learned from the fact that he was impeached by the House," Collins said...When pressed on why she believed he'd a learned a lesson, then, Collins said, "Well, I may not be correct on that."
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Oh he's learned a lesson, all right. Just not the one Collins naively hoped for.
 
Just as reported, Trump is putting the head of the Republican who dared not to support him on a Spike.

I expect GOP Senators to issue an apology to Schiff ...
... any day now ....
 
acbytesla said:
The House midterm elections.
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We've been over this. About 50% of midterm elections going back to 1947 have had 37 or more seats flip. The results were deeply, deeply average.

Trump's unfavorable ratings to name two.
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Trump's ratings are the same as they were the day he was inaugurated, give or take a few percentage points. They have remained essentially unchanged throughout his entire presidency so far.

What's more at the time of writing, his ratings are the most favourable they've been since the first month of his presidency. Day 33, to be precise.
 
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