Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 3

[Minoosh]

They love this rationalization, like there's some secret evidence against Trump he has been unable to confront.

Yeah, there was that line early on, with some GOP congressman complaining that no one had produced the person who got it all started, only to hear the rejoinder: Well, we invited Trump but he wouldn't come.

 

[Minoosh]

It took a second to register what you were talking about. Yeah, these are Republican Senators before Trump won the presidency.

Here's a more inspirational clip making the rounds on Twitter. It's remarkably well cut.

Pretty snappy! Excellent editing.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It took a second to register what you were talking about. Yeah, these are Republican Senators before Trump won the presidency.

Here's a more inspirational clip making the rounds on Twitter. It's remarkably well cut.

That's great! I love it. Makes a great ad too.

 

[Ladewig]

You could hardly say he's responsible or that the average joe is better off. And more than 65 percent of Americans don't believe we are better offl. Or that Trump is even trying to unite the country.

If Trump was any other President running for reelection, I'd say they would win reelection. But Trump is unique. His unfavorables are staggering. He is beyond despised by a sizable block of people. If you think Trump motivates his base, keep in mind he is even better at motivating his opposition. That's not good.

[xhilite]And he is still trying to kill the ACA without a damn thing to replace it. [/xhilite] He's also talked about reducing Medicare benefits. Please let me run against that.

Why should that be a problem?
A) we have large swaths of people who vote against their self interest.
B) he will blame the repeal on the Democrats. Just a few moths ago he was arguing that the Democrats were trying to remove the preexisting-conditions clause but he was stopping them. We live in a post-factual age.
C) if those don’t work, he’lll.say “people, listen. It was OBAMAcare. OBAMAcare. Get it!? So. You’re welcome.”

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Lol

Just heard the news.

Not one to say I told you so but ......

And it is only going to get worse for the Democrats.

Did you also predict that the sun would come up today?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Under Trump and the republicans, the U.S. deficit has greatly increased and is in the ~$1 trillion dollar range. And unlike the deficits under Obama (where the U.S. was in a recession), the Republican deficit is occurring at a time when the U.S. economy is supposed to be growing.

Regulations to prevent another 2008/2009 meltdown are being removed, possibly allowing another 'bubble'.

The U.S. is not building up its infrastructure; many bridges need replacement. And the current focus of the Trump administration is on old (and rapidly becoming obsolete) areas of the economy... fossil fuels, manufacturing, etc. instead of technology.

Things may LOOK good now, but its basically a coat of paint on a termite-infested house, and the owners seem to have no interest in getting rid of the infestation.

Even after Trump leaves office, the effects of his administration will continue to be felt for decades.

Surely the point is that none of that is going to come to a head before November?

 

[cullennz]

Did you also predict that the sun would come up today?

You knowing he wouldn't be impeached does not change the fact heaps of other posters going a bit weird over he would be.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

You knowing he wouldn't be impeached does not change the fact heaps of other posters going a bit weird over he would be.

I don't recall that. But either way, predicting something incredibly obvious doesn't become more boast-worthy if a number of other people didn't.

 

[Ladewig]

Surely the point is that none of that is going to come to a head before November?

Unless, of course, a well-travelled bridge collapses killing 100 people.

 

[Belz...]

...Shirtless.

That goes without saying.

 

[Belz...]

Humanity maybe. The Senate? ****, no.

He just wants votes and the gravy train to continue. All a facade.

Wouldn't he have voted no on both counts, then?

 

[Belz...]

Like father like son:


https://nypost.com/2020/02/05/donal...tt-romney-a-p-y-demands-his-removal-from-gop/

Gods, these people are so petty.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Under Trump and the republicans, the U.S. deficit has greatly increased and is in the ~$1 trillion dollar range. And unlike the deficits under Obama (where the U.S. was in a recession), the Republican deficit is occurring at a time when the U.S. economy is supposed to be growing.

One reason I did not vote for Obama the second time around was due to the amount the deficit and debt had grown under his watch. This after he had called the increase in debt under Bush “unpatriotic”. At that point I still saw the Republicans as the party of fiscal responsibility. And maybe under Romney it could have been.

But it very clearly no longer is in the Age of Trump.

 

[Belz...]

One reason I did not vote for Obama the second time around was due to the amount the deficit and debt had grown under his watch. This after he had called the increase in debt under Bush “unpatriotic”. At that point I still saw the Republicans as the party of fiscal responsibility. And maybe under Romney it could have been.

But it very clearly no longer is in the Age of Trump.

When was the last time that it was? Pre-Reagan? Certainly not in the Bush years. I don't know where you got that idea.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

When was the last time that it was? Pre-Reagan? Certainly not in the Bush years. I don't know where you got that idea.

I don't think it was unreasonable to think a party can lose its way, and then return to its fundamental tenets with the right leadership. That was my hope then.

Obviously, that hope is long gone now.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1225183166677299200?s=20

Moments after the acquittal vote, Grassley and Johnson announce their request for Hunter Biden's travel records from Secret Service.

grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2020-02-05%20CEG%20RHJ%20to%20Secret%20Service%20%28Biden%20Travel%29.pdf …

 

[acbytesla]

Why should that be a problem?
A) we have large swaths of people who vote against their self interest.
B) he will blame the repeal on the Democrats. Just a few moths ago he was arguing that the Democrats were trying to remove the preexisting-conditions clause but he was stopping them. We live in a post-factual age.
C) if those don’t work, he’lll.say “people, listen. It was OBAMAcare. OBAMAcare. Get it!? So. You’re welcome.”

If he can get away with gaslighting the country you're right. I'm not convinced he can.

 

[Segnosaur]

Under Trump and the republicans, the U.S. deficit has greatly increased and is in the ~$1 trillion dollar range. And unlike the deficits under Obama (where the U.S. was in a recession), the Republican deficit is occurring at a time when the U.S. economy is supposed to be growing.

One reason I did not vote for Obama the second time around was due to the amount the deficit and debt had grown under his watch. This after he had called the increase in debt under Bush “unpatriotic”. At that point I still saw the Republicans as the party of fiscal responsibility. And maybe under Romney it could have been.

I do think context is important here.

I do not blame a government if they end up with a deficit (even an increasing one) during a recession. After all, revenues will automatically drop at those times (decreased tax revenue due to business contraction) and expenditures will increase. And, it should be pointed out that by the end of Obama's first term the deficit had peaked and was already heading back down.

As I pointed out, I dislike deficits when they occur during times of economic expansion (as is currently happening under Trump).

 

[Segnosaur]

Sen. Susan Collins on saying she'll vote to acquit Trump:
I believe that the president has learned from this case.The president has been impeached. That's a pretty big lesson. He was impeached. And there has been criticism by both Republican and Democratic senators of his call. I believe that he will be much more cautious in the future.

She now claims she misspoke. Instead of saying she 'believed' the president learned a lesson, she is now saying she had 'hoped' the president had learned a lesson.

She now says she "may not be correct on that". A little too late, don't you think?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...bout-trump-learning-a-lesson-are-aspirational
"I hoped that the president would’ve learned from the fact that he was impeached by the House," Collins said...When pressed on why she believed he'd a learned a lesson, then, Collins said, "Well, I may not be correct on that."

 

[Upchurch]

She now claims she misspoke. Instead of saying she 'believed' the president learned a lesson, she is now saying she had 'hoped' the president had learned a lesson.

She now says she "may not be correct on that". A little too late, don't you think?

I mean, damn. That was a tough call.

Who among us is prescient enough to have guessed how Trump would have gone on learning the lesson that bad actions lead to bad consequences when Collins helped teach the lesson by shielding Trump's bad actions from having any bad consequences? It was the perfect* lesson.



* "perfect" as defined in the post-factual Age of Trump