Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

[dmaker]

"Hope" isn't a strategy.

Agreed, but I'm Canadian. There is not much that I can do in this regard. If I was American, I would vote Democrat and volunteer time to a candidate.

 

[Segnosaur]

Agreed, but I'm Canadian. There is not much that I can do in this regard. If I was American, I would vote Democrat and volunteer time to a candidate.

Well, according to Trump all sorts of illegal immigrants are voting in the elections. So just sneak down south and cast a ballot! You can even do it multiple times if you wear a disguise!

Nothing can go wrong with that plan.

 

[Lurch]

It’s funny that obvious trolling still hits the mark.

It's sad that the leader of a nation would wallow in the indignity and the muck and mire of trolling.

But then, it might be more than this; a testing of the waters, a sending up of a trial balloon. We know his method, where outrageous statements are often feeler gauges.

 

[Segnosaur]

Congratulations Republicans!
You are now the sole owner of the Trump Presidency - with all the risks and liabilities that entails.

- Trump's approval at highest point of his Presidency.
- Half of registered voters say Trump deserves to be re-elected.*

I'm not sure what risks and liabilities they are taking on.

Trump, being Trump, is bound to screw up between now and the general election. You may get an occasional drip of information regarding Ukraine. Maybe the supreme court will rule against Trump on his financial records, and they'll find various crimes there.

Or maybe Trump will call more neo-nazis "fine people". Or start a shooting war with Iran.

If anything bad happens, Republican senators will have to explain how they could have gotten rid of Trump but didn't.

 

[Ladewig]

Well, according to Trump all sorts of illegal immigrants are voting in the elections. So just sneak down south and cast a ballot! You can even do it multiple times if you wear a disguise!

Nothing can go wrong with that plan.

I’m told simply changing hats is enough.

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[wasapi]

Well, according to Trump all sorts of illegal immigrants are voting in the elections. So just sneak down south and cast a ballot! You can even do it multiple times if you wear a disguise!

Nothing can go wrong with that plan.

It's simple. They just leave and change hats, then go back and vote again. Trump says so, so it must be true.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Of you could help a candidate rig an election, the caveat being that you better make sure that person wins and has a majority support in the Senate.

 

[Segnosaur]

Gallup released some polls this morning. Gallup is generally considered non-partisan and generally well respected and trusted.

- Trump's job approval, while still crappy, is at this personal best, 49% (https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/trump-job-approval-personal-best.aspx)

49% approval for Trump is a little troubling. However, before we panic we'll have to wait and see whether it is sustained, or is just some sort of outlier/statistical anomaly.

 

[Minoosh]

Mmm. I don't quite believe that. I suspect that it's much more likely for people like that to simply be too invested, emotionally, in their tribalism, for a number of reasons. For some, for example, because the right-wing media feeds them validation (and a decidedly skewed caricature of what "the left" is saying) that they're just not getting enough of elsewhere, which they then become a bit dependent upon.

This amounts to the same thing I said: They don't care if they're wrong. I could say this of some liberals, too, and probably most people in the U.S. who consume only domestic news media.

There's a lot of comfort in being tribal. I don't really blame people. But I don't really understand it, either. I HATE being wrong.

 

[xjx388]

It's sad that the leader of a nation would wallow in the indignity and the muck and mire of trolling.

Oh, I agree 100%. What I don't understand is the reaction to the trolling. "Don't feed the troll," is the usual mantra but the outrage machine simply can't help itself from feeding Trump exactly what he wants: attention.

But then, it might be more than this; a testing of the waters, a sending up of a trial balloon. We know his method, where outrageous statements are often feeler gauges.

Like this. This can't be a real fear. People are so triggered by Trump's inanities (I mean, really -that video was just silliness) that they preoccupy themselves with these kinds of irrationalities.

 

[JPK]

Good afternoon.
I wonder who he was on the phone to just before this speech. Putin? Kim? I wonder who he is asking for help in this election since that's been deemed "Okie dokie" with the entire GOP, except for Romney.

I still hope Bloomberg publicly offers a monetary bounty to any government head that will release recordings of phone calls with Trump, and it his tax returns.

 

[Minoosh]

Trump, being Trump, is bound to screw up between now and the general election.

Trump being Trump, he probably already has.

If anything bad happens, Republican senators will have to explain how they could have gotten rid of Trump but didn't.

No, they won't have to explain. They will be shocked or deeply disturbed at the new, serious allegations. I don't know how this would play with their constituents, but explaining is probably riskier than just acting like there's nothing to explain.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

So if the stock market significantly dropped, how would President Trump blame it on the Democrats. It can’t be the impeachment. It can’t be the legislation they passed.

But it obviously would be something.

 

[Horatius]

So if the stock market significantly dropped, how would President Trump blame it on the Democrats. It can’t be the impeachment. It can’t be the legislation they passed.

"Those extreme leftist socialists panicked the investors with their Communism&Immigrant Murderers&Open Borders&Drug Gangs&Sanctuary Cities&Witch Hunts&No Collusion!"

You know, what he always says.

 

[Minoosh]

You need to take in your reading comprehension for maintenance.

That's being generous. Twice I've asked for an explanation of how what they said follows from my post. The thing is, it doesn't. It can't. It was just an excuse for calling me racist to white people. Standard dishonesty from Trump supporters. I'm shocked. This is my shocked face.

 

[pgwenthold]

Okay. And that changes what?

"A majority is satisfied but wrong" is... still satisfied.

Yeah we all know we're gonna have to pay this check down the road, we're not stupid. The check just isn't going to come due before November and until then Trump can keep buying the table drinks.

This is becoming a huge problem in political discussions. When people tell you they are happy you can't go "No you're really not, look at these facts!" and expect that to work. That's not how it works anywhere, especially not in politics.

I'm not saying they aren't happy. I'm saying that if it were a democrat, they wouldn't be happy because they would be bitching about the deficit. But because it is a republican, they ignore the deficit.

 

[dudalb]

Oh, I agree 100%. What I don't understand is the reaction to the trolling. "Don't feed the troll," is the usual mantra but the outrage machine simply can't help itself from feeding Trump exactly what he wants: attention.

Like this. This can't be a real fear. People are so triggered by Trump's inanities (I mean, really -that video was just silliness) that they preoccupy themselves with these kinds of irrationalities.

Frankly, if the GOP in Congress were more willing to stand up to some of Trump;s dumber moves, those fears would not be as great.
I hoped that the more level heads in the GOP would try to control Trump but instead they have caved and rubber stamped hime, out of fear of being Prmaried.
If they had, maybe Trump would have not gotten himself in quite as many messes.
It is interesting;some people who Knew Trump before his was elected say the Trump in the White House was not the Trump they knew;The Trump they knew loved to posture in public was a much more rational person in private. But being elected seems to have reinforced all his bad points. H

 

[dudalb]

Trump, being Trump, is bound to screw up between now and the general election. You may get an occasional drip of information regarding Ukraine. Maybe the supreme court will rule against Trump on his financial records, and they'll find various crimes there.

Or maybe Trump will call more neo-nazis "fine people". Or start a shooting war with Iran.

If anything bad happens, Republican senators will have to explain how they could have gotten rid of Trump but didn't.

Or some other crisis no one can foreseewill arise and Trump will mishandle it bigtime.
A month ago, who wold have thought the coronavirus would become such a huge concern?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Trump, being Trump, is bound to screw up between now and the general election

Like it will matter. He has done nothing but screw up and be racist and that is what the heartland loves.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Or some other crisis no one can foreseewill arise and Trump will mishandle it bigtime.

And this will be something that changes peoples minds against all historical precedent? Nothing he does will be held against him, he can do pretty much anything and get it passed.