2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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Belz... said:
Yeah but as I said it was too distracting. People were using the name as a handwave of my arguments and points. "Oh, your name means you just want to argue" and so on. Apparently no one knows what "argument" means anymore.
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Few can make and understand them.
 
Beeyon said:
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Seems like Pete may missed out on his shot. 26.7% to 24.3% for Bernie (of SDEs).

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You mean his chance to give a victory speech Monday night?

It would have been fleeting anyway come the New Hampshire vote.


I am glad Biden got a solid rejection. He'd been so full of it before Monday.
 
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Belz... said:
Yeah but as I said it was too distracting. People were using the name as a handwave of my arguments and points. "Oh, your name means you just want to argue" and so on. Apparently no one knows what "argument" means anymore.
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It just made me think of the Trojan War, and Clytemnestra.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
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You mean his chance to give a victory speech Monday night?

It would have been fleeting anyway come the New Hampshire vote.
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Yeah. Nothing important about winning the Iowa caucus and being able to unambiguously declare victory*. It's not like that was a critical point for Obama's campaign or anything.

*Pete's "victory" speech in Iowa after midnight on the east coast wasn't much of a victory speech.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
538 prediction model changes after Iowa for overall majority of pledged delegates:

Sanders 37% (+6%)
No One 27% (+10%)
Biden 21% (-22%)
Warren 10% (+5%)
Buttigieg 6% (+2%)
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I'm firmly in the "No One" camp right now. Oh, I'll vote for anyone the D's nominate, but I think we're in for five more years of Trump. If not more.
If Biden had run and been nommed in 2016 he'd be POTUS now. But just enough folks in a few states weren't ready for a woman as President, especially with Hillary's baggage.
Now it's Joe with the baggage. He's toast.
The American center is even less for a gay President than they were for a female one. I like Mayor Pete, but he's not going to get elected.
Bernie's a self-described Socialist. The vast majority of Americans don't understand what that actually means. Not electable.
Bloomberg has one of the same (((problems))) as Bernie. And unlikely to be nominated.
I'm depressed now.
Warren might have the best chance. If she gets nominated.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Luke Savage on the SOTU speech:



https://jacobinmag.com/2020/02/trump-state-of-the-union
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Yeah, like a website that takes pride in naming itself after the Jabobins who gave us the Reign Of Terror are a group you should name yourself after.

Sorry, but every argument for Bernie winning in November I have heard is based on the idea that there is a vast pool of hidden left wing voters out there who will come out for the right candidate.
 
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I am on the verge of just leaving this site.
Frankly, the Bernie bots are trying to make anybody who is not a Bernie supporter feel unwelcome here.
I might just take my evil centrist butt out of here and find another interent home where dogmatism had not quite taken over.
 
dudalb said:
Yeah, like a website that takes pride in naming itself after the Jabobins who gave us the Reign Of Terror are a group you should name yourself after.

Sorry, but every argument for Bernie winning in November I have heard is based on the idea that there is a vast pool of hidden left wing voters out there who will come out for the right candidate.
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That's funny, I thought it was based on the polls that show Sanders over Trump.
 
Sideroxylon said:
More name calling and Bernie can’t win assertions as fact.
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C'mon, Sideroxylon, when someone opines about Bernie's ability to win in November, nobody, I mean NOBODY, thinks they're stating a fact. Chill out.

Sideroxylon said:
Will not talk about policy or the deep justice problems Bernie promises to tackle for ordinary Americans. Aside from framing it as socialism and hated of the market idols.

Why?
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Because this election won't be decided on policy or social justice solutions. It just won't, so why discuss them.
 
SezMe said:
C'mon, Sideroxylon, when someone opines about Bernie's ability to win in November, nobody, I mean NOBODY, thinks they're stating a fact. Chill out.



Because this election won't be decided on policy or social justice solutions. It just won't, so why discuss them.
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Even if he gets elected,and gets a Democratic Congress, I doubt Bernie could get his policies through. They are just too radical, they want,almost overnight to turn the US into a Europaen style Social Democracy. I just don't think a majority of the American people want that, even though they want change.
If nothing else, "Medicare for everybody" will scare off voters who might not object to some form of UHC, but don't want to lose their coverage for a program which nobody really knows what will look like.
 
I am beginning to think we will see the Dems begin a convention with no candidate with a majority of the delegates.
 
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