2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

[Skeptic Ginger]

The media totally flubbed that story when it broke, and apparently never got it.

It was all over the media. Plagiarism, plagiarism, plagiarism.


If you're a journalist, plagiarism probably seemed like a big deal, and they reported that that was the issue. In truth, no one cared then, and no one cares now.


However, one of the speeches Biden plagiarized was a speech by a Briton by the name of Neil Kinnock. In that speech, Kinnock talked about his ancestors who were coal miners. Biden used the same lines, nearly verbatim,

except, Biden's ancestors weren't coal miners.

That, the fact that he plagiarized ancestors, was what creeped people out about Biden. The fact that he didn't give credit to the original writer of the speech is something that only a reporter would care about.

I think it was sufficiently creepy that it will hurt him this time around as well, but I would still vote for him.

I wish that one of his Democratic rivals would bring it up, just to see if it's still an issue that will linger.

As much as I hate to say it, Biden's very flawed past needs to come out now because it surely will in the general election.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Voting Democrat isn't doing something, though. It's just giving the keys to the system to a different faction. A faction produced by the system. A faction that is sheltered and nurtured by the system.

You know why Obama got elected? He promised Change. You know why Trump got elected? Because Obama didn't deliver.

Bernie isn’t a Democrat.

 

[dudalb]

I think it's a good demonstration of Biden's character: he's a fake, who will say anything to try to look appealing to the public. And it wasn't just the one incident, either, he's been caught plagiarizing multiple times. He kept on doing it, too, which again speaks to his character: he either doesn't learn from his mistakes or he simply thinks he can get away with them. How many other scruples does he lack? We've already got a president without shame, the prospect of another one doesn't appeal to me.

Sorry, but claiming that BIden is no better then Trump because of the plagiarism issue is a bit much.

 

[dudalb]

Bernie isn’t a Democrat.

Then he is a hypocrite for running for the Democratic Party nomination. He is an outsider attempting a coup. Just like Donnie.

 

[dudalb]

Voting Democrat isn't doing something, though. It's just giving the keys to the system to a different faction. A faction produced by the system. A faction that is sheltered and nurtured by the system.

You know why Obama got elected? He promised Change. You know why Trump got elected? Because Obama didn't deliver.

What total garbage.
Like the GOP Is not produced by "the system".

 

[TragicMonkey]

The main claim that set me off was claiming Steyer was the opposite of what he is:

Lumping him in with the corporate mess he's been working against for a decade because he's a billionaire

Assuming the article about foreclosure on car loans and the high interest mentioned was indicative of what the bank was about when that was not true​

The interest rate was disturbing. That needs to be investigated. But it doesn't mean Steyer isn't what he says he is: against corporate influence in government.

Which was not "the claim". I never said word one about him being a billionaire. I don't care about that. It was that he started a bank. Banks are not good, and people who start them are not doing a good thing for the public. It's not something a progressive would boast about.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Sorry, but claiming that BIden is no better then Trump because of the plagiarism issue is a bit much.

I didn't claim he was "no better than Trump". I pointed out that they share a similarity, I didn't judge them by assessing the degree of their failings under that heading.

 

[theprestige]

I think it's a good demonstration of Biden's character: he's a fake, who will say anything to try to look appealing to the public. And it wasn't just the one incident, either, he's been caught plagiarizing multiple times. He kept on doing it, too, which again speaks to his character: he either doesn't learn from his mistakes or he simply thinks he can get away with them. How many other scruples does he lack? We've already got a president without shame, the prospect of another one doesn't appeal to me.

Biden, a career politician, has been corrupt for his entire career. People on this forum (who are outliers in every sense) talk about Trump's corruption. But Biden is the backdrop against which Trump parades on stage.

Everybody likes to pretend their politician isn't corrupt. The reality is that most corruption is concealed behind an event horizon. Trump is a naked singularity of corruption. But even if you vote him out, the SMBH in Washington will remain.

 

[Venom]

I'm convinced, by the past half-dozen pages of this thread, that the Dems are screwed and Trump will be reelected.
In 2016, the R party didn't want Trump to be nominated, but when he did they bent over backward to support his every tweet.
D's aren't capable of doing that.

It's still early, but if we're going to play that game, I'm convinced based on what I've seen from actual voters in Iowa so far that Dems have a great chance to outvote Donald Trump.

Voters switching from Yang to Buttigieg, to Klobuchar, to Warren, and Sanders and Biden sharing a sizable portion of their voters. Just the turnout in the state right now is impressive.

Seems people really do want Trump out.

 

[dudalb]

The more I think about, the more I am troubled by the idea of both our major parties being taken over by an outside coup.I wonder if we might not be looking at the end of the two party system in the US, with both major parties discredited in the eyes of many voters.

 

[dudalb]

Which was not "the claim". I never said word one about him being a billionaire. I don't care about that. It was that he started a bank. Banks are not good, and people who start them are not doing a good thing for the public. It's not something a progressive would boast about.

And what would you replace them with?

Some banks are good, others bad, but they serve a needful purpose, unless you want to go to a system where the government totally controls finiances.
And that has been tried, and has failed miserably.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Biden, a career politician, has been corrupt for his entire career. People on this forum (who are outliers in every sense) talk about Trump's corruption. But Biden is the backdrop against which Trump parades on stage.

Everybody likes to pretend their politician isn't corrupt. The reality is that most corruption is concealed behind an event horizon. Trump is a naked singularity of corruption. But even if you vote him out, the SMBH in Washington will remain.

I'm not sure "being fake" equals "being corrupt" in the first place. Even if it did, there are degrees of corruption. The "senator from MBNA" may well be more desirable in office than a store-brand mafioso wannabe trying to "do deals" with Ukraine.

And I disagree that "everyone likes to pretend their politician isn't corrupt". Some people are well aware of the problem but tolerate it, either because they can't do anything about it, or because they're willing to accept it in order to get other things. There was a recent kerfluffle in Congress about somebody accused of corruption, and one of the parties seemed to be okay with it anyway.

 

[theprestige]

The more I think about, the more I am troubled by the idea of both our major parties being taken over by an outside coup.I wonder if we might not be looking at the end of the two party system in the US, with both major parties discredited in the eyes of many voters.

Tell us more about this outside coup.

 

[TragicMonkey]

And what would you replace them with?

Some banks are good, others bad, but they serve a needful purpose, unless you want to go to a system where the government totally controls finiances.
And that has been tried, and has failed miserably.

With the thing I said in the original post that threw SG into such a froth: credit unions.

 

[Meadmaker]

I wonder if Klobuchar will drop out. A fifth place finish doesn't bode well. I cant see her getting past Biden and Bloomberg for the center-left vote.

 

[dudalb]

Biden, a career politician, has been corrupt for his entire career. People on this forum (who are outliers in every sense) talk about Trump's corruption. But Biden is the backdrop against which Trump parades on stage.

Everybody likes to pretend their politician isn't corrupt. The reality is that most corruption is concealed behind an event horizon. Trump is a naked singularity of corruption. But even if you vote him out, the SMBH in Washington will remain.

AH, the your;re another attack.
And you admit that Trump is corrupt????

 

[Venom]

The more I think about, the more I am troubled by the idea of both our major parties being taken over by an outside coup.I wonder if we might not be looking at the end of the two party system in the US, with both major parties discredited in the eyes of many voters.

outside coup? Are you talking about more election meddling.

I sometimes imagine what would happen if Russia tried to or acted like it'd try to help Sanders or Biden against Trump. That'd cause a lot of confused outrage I think. And Trump, unlike Obama, would definitely call it out before the election was over and declare the election illegitimate.

 

[dudalb]

With the thing I said in the original post that threw SG into such a froth: credit unions.

Banks can do things Credit Unions cannot when it come to loans.
Something tells me you don't have a great knowledge of how the economy works.

 

[dudalb]

outside coup? Are you talking about more election meddling.

I sometimes imagine what would happen if Russia tried to or acted like it'd try to help Sanders or Biden against Trump. That'd cause a lot of confused outrage I think. And Trump, unlike Obama, would definitely call it out before the election was over and declare the election illegitimate.

Nope that Bernie who has been an indepdent all his career, has all of a sudden become a Democrat...just like a certain ex reality show host.
One of his biggest backer here just bragged that Bernie was not a Democrat.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Banks can do things Credit Unions cannot.

And the reason for that is because the banks told the politicians how to write the laws to prevent the banks from losing more ground to credit unions. That unfair "system" the progressives want to fix? The banks are one of the creators of that system.