Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Thor 2]

If they say something utterly wrong like people on Mars and Venus it is obvious they are fakes. But most do not say anything so clearly mistaken, so it is hard to work them out.

But you have labelled some mediums as fakes in previous posts and endorsed others.

I recall you telling us of a medium who had some interaction with a twin brother who died as a baby. The spirit resembled you as a mature adult, you informed us the mediums advised. This maturing spirit notion being somewhat contradictory to other revelations you have shared with us here. You thought the medium was kosher however.

 

[Thor 2]

On the contrary, he has specifically said he cannot tell real mediums from fake mediums. I suspect this is why he anonymized his citation to authority: "It is said that..." It's a ploy to hopefully not have to deal with the problems endemic to his sources. Strangely, mediums in Scorpion's hands tend to be reliable or fake from day to day, depending on whether their statements seem like nonsense or instead like something that will deliver Scorpion from a critical challenge.

Elusive indeed is our Scorpion.

 

[abaddon]

The spirit or angel did it, and I did not know until I won the money.

That is not what you claimed. You claimed that the angel/s "gave" you the numbers.

So it was up to the spirit world to make this special dispensation.

It matters not how you slice it. You are an accessory to a crime

I maintain that because it was a small win it did not impact much on anyone else, so there is not much karma involved.

It impacts the people from whome you happily stole £1182.

If they had given me six numbers that would have been millions, and definitely would have involved karmic consequences.

They gave you five, and you happily lifted the loot out of others pockets.

That is immoral no matter how you try to excuse it.

 

[Loss Leader]

I believe in a God that is ...

Well, there it is. End thread.

You have certain beliefs. So long as they bring you comfort, that's great for you. Your mistake is in attempting to proselytize. Nobody here cares about your beliefs, the fact that they are self-contradictory, or that you are a very poor communicator. Go be happy and stop trying to spread your belief system to anyone else. It's personal to you and that's good enough.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I believe in a God that is a formless ocean of consciousness. Such a God does not concern itself with the details of billions of peoples lives.

Nope. Your fictional god is a dick who hates innocent children.

For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me”

Your fictional god drowned all the innocent children in the flood and he still hates children.

Yet you really really like him. Don't you think that's antisocial of you?

 

[JayUtah]

That is immoral no matter how you try to excuse it.

You deny the power of the circular excuse. If his gods provided for him, then it doesn't matter what others think of it. The fact that it happened is all the proof you need that it's morally okay.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Since they did it, it was allowed. I do think it came from on high, because only an elevated being, spirit or angel would be able to see into the future.

Or maybe your god didn't have the power to stop it.

 

[Loss Leader]

You deny the power of the circular excuse. If his gods provided for him, then it doesn't matter what others think of it. The fact that it happened is all the proof you need that it's morally okay.

It's the Terminator defense: As long as you're doing it to save the future, whatever "crimes" you commit are morally justified.

 

[JayUtah]

It's the Terminator defense: As long as you're doing it to save the future, whatever "crimes" you commit are morally justified.

I can think of a whole list of crimes that would improve at least my future.

 

[Darat]

We do not always have to do things the hard way. Our karma can be settled by our choice to do good works rather than just suffering. So the angels try to guide us to the best path. But if we are set in our ways to do harm we will pay the full price.

Please explain to me why a 3 year old child is raped multiple times by soldiers and then killed. The following reasons are the reasons you have given for suffering, which is it?

Is it the karma angels that decided it was right for the 3 year old to be raped and killed so the spirit can evolve.

Is it the spirit of the child that decided it needed to "evolve" and it required the 3 year old child to be raped and killed?

Is it a test the karma angels have set up for the soldiers' spirits to see if they will do something so terrible?

 

[Darat]

If they had given me six numbers that would have changed my life and it would have impacted on the people who would have won the money otherwise.

I could not afford a computer in 1998 but if I had not won the money I would have saved up for one. It might have taken me two years to do that, so winning the money helped me get computing sooner.



I think it is a quite subtle change, but it affected me positively without making much difference to any one else. I figure it was allowed by the angels or it would not have happened.

You forget they didn't just give you the money to buy a computer, I thought by the way it was to buy a printer?

 

[Darat]

The long run is a very long run. It may be a million years. The human race is clearly spiritually unevolved as we still kill one another in wars and such.

We may incarnate for countless lifetimes before reaching the end of our cycle of rebirths. The present state of humanity has been compared to kindergarten. But in the long run everything will be worked out for our ultimate good.

I thought it was about individuals, you now seem to be saying until all of mankind "evolves" we are stuck here.

 

[Darat]

My beliefs were much the same before winning the money. But yes, it is one of a handful of events that has shaped my views. But since it happened I figure the angels of karma allowed it. I do not think my departed relatives would be able to see into the future just because they died. In any case they would not be allowed to interfere by the spirit hierarchy. So I think it was an angel who gave me the win.

You do believe they can interfere, have you forgotten your brother?

 

[Gamolon]

As I said, I used to give money to homeless people in the street in years gone by. But I think the money was meant for me to buy a computer and that is what I did with it.

You might as well ask why I do not give all my money away. I have a much better computer now. It cost more than the one I purchased in 1998.
I could give all my money away and sit in an empty room with no computer, but that would achieve nothing.

You need to read my post again Scorpion.

I never said give ALL your money away. I spoke directly about the money you won in the lottery.

If spiritual evolution is based on positive karma, then why didn't you give the money you used to buy a computer to someone who needed it more than you? That would have boosted your karma even more for your next round of incarnation.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Or so she claims. Can you prove she's not a fake medium? Can you think of any other reason she might want to refer to society condescendingly?

That the opinion was based on the people she hangs around with?

 

[JayUtah]

You do believe they can interfere, have you forgotten your brother?

The whole point of mediumship is the premise that the dead get to keep interfering in the lives of the living. It's the backbone of the industry.

 

[JayUtah]

That the opinion was based on the people she hangs around with?

Novel. I hadn't thought of that one. But the one I was going for is the notion that no religion ever got traction because its leaders said, "Everybody's doing just fine."

 

[Gamolon]

So if we die as a baby that baby has to grow up in the spirit world. But we do remember all our past lives when we reach a state of enlightenment at the end of our cycle of incarnations.

So an Angel of Karma picked an incarnation for a spirit that it knew would die before it experienced anything in life?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Novel. I hadn't thought of that one. But the one I was going for is the notion that no religion ever got traction because its leaders said, "Everybody's doing just fine."

Yes, that was a definite option, but if the spiritualists we've seen on this site are anything to go I figure my option deserves consideration. (I suppose the same applies to all religions..)

 

[P.J. Denyer]

So an Angel of Karma picked an incarnation for a spirit that it knew would die before it experienced anything in life?

If people can write things like midicholrians and Peter Cushing's Doctor into their internal fanfic cannon then I guess it's probable they ca....... No forget it.