Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[JayUtah]

The long run is a very long run. It may be a million years.

Irrelevant. If I can't know what prior sin I'm being asked to atone for by being persuaded to act against what is objectively good judgment in the here and now, it might as well be forever because that system would be entirely stochastic.

The human race is clearly spiritually unevolved as we still kill one another in wars and such.

I could just as easily say the human race is unevolved because members of it still believe in superstitious nonsense. You haven't shown how your religion -- or any religion -- is the answer to war. In fact, in your religion war is no big deal because everyone just gets another turn on the merry-go-round. I'll put atheism up there any day as an answer to war, because we don't appeal to nonexistent gods or irrelevant eternities. In atheism, war is caused by humans and has immediate human consequences. If war is to be avoided, we are responsible for doing it and we are well motivated to do it in a hurry.

We may incarnate for countless lifetimes before reaching the end of our cycle of rebirths.

Yes, you horked that from Buddhism, and for the reasons already belabored by me and ignored by you, it works out very poorly for any sort of long-term benefit. This is because you taint it with notions of individual souls and post-mortem guilt borrowed from Christianity. Those are incompatible with the Buddhist stuff.

The present state of humanity has been compared to kindergarten.

By whom?

 

[Scorpion]

So now you're admitting that there are rogue Angels that go against God's laws for the spirit world? That Angels can determine when they can bend the laws or not?

Since they did it, it was allowed. I do think it came from on high, because only an elevated being, spirit or angel would be able to see into the future.

 

[Gamolon]

I am simply describing the sum of my experiences, and my conclusions

Simple question.

Why?

 

[JayUtah]

I cannot possibly know what the angels are doing, that would make me some kind of guru or prophet, and I am not one.

So perhaps you're not qualified to "promote spiritualism," as you told us you're here to do. Maybe you don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about, and your constant lashing out at your critics is something you should apologize for.

I am simply describing the sum of my experiences, and my conclusions

Your conclusions are illogical and without evidentiary support. Their only redemption would be if you had some special insight into the spiritual world you say exists. But you don't have that. So the only reason left for you to describe your experiences and conclusions is that you just want attention.

 

[Scorpion]

By whom?

Ursula Roberts, a trance medium at the spiritualist association in the 1970's

 

[Gamolon]

Since they did it, it was allowed. I do think it came from on high, because only an elevated being, spirit or angel would be able to see into the future.

So a rogue Angel broke one of God's written "spirit laws"?

 

[JayUtah]

Since they did it, it was allowed. I do think it came from on high, because only an elevated being, spirit or angel would be able to see into the future.

Blatantly circular reasoning.

 

[JayUtah]

Ursula Roberts, a trance medium at the spiritualist association in the 1970's

Or so she claims. Can you prove she's not a fake medium? Can you think of any other reason she might want to refer to society condescendingly?

 

[abaddon]

From people buying lottery tickets.

So you cheated the lottery and illegally took other peoples money aided and abetted by an "angel".

That's some pretty bad karma right there, no?

 

[Gamolon]

Ursula Roberts, a trance medium at the spiritualist association in the 1970's

Scorpion, you missed my post below.

Free will right Scorpion?

You could have gotten even more good karma had you given it to charity or someone in need. Instead you "chose" to keep it for yourself because you deemed your need for a computer to be a better "choice" than giving it to someone who needed it more.

 

[Scorpion]

So you cheated the lottery and illegally took other peoples money aided and abetted by an "angel".

That's some pretty bad karma right there, no?

The spirit or angel did it, and I did not know until I won the money. So it was up to the spirit world to make this special dispensation. I maintain that because it was a small win it did not impact much on anyone else, so there is not much karma involved. If they had given me six numbers that would have been millions, and definitely would have involved karmic consequences.

 

[Thor 2]

Ursula Roberts, a trance medium at the spiritualist association in the 1970's

Or so she claims. Can you prove she's not a fake medium? Can you think of any other reason she might want to refer to society condescendingly?

Scorpion has an ability to detect fake mediums. Uses some special kind of litmus paper he has developed I suspect.

 

[Scorpion]

Scorpion, you missed my post below.

As I said, I used to give money to homeless people in the street in years gone by. But I think the money was meant for me to buy a computer and that is what I did with it.

You might as well ask why I do not give all my money away. I have a much better computer now. It cost more than the one I purchased in 1998.
I could give all my money away and sit in an empty room with no computer, but that would achieve nothing.

 

[JayUtah]

Scorpion has an ability to detect fake mediums. Uses some special kind of litmus paper he has developed I suspect.

On the contrary, he has specifically said he cannot tell real mediums from fake mediums. I suspect this is why he anonymized his citation to authority: "It is said that..." It's a ploy to hopefully not have to deal with the problems endemic to his sources. Strangely, mediums in Scorpion's hands tend to be reliable or fake from day to day, depending on whether their statements seem like nonsense or instead like something that will deliver Scorpion from a critical challenge.

 

[Scorpion]

Scorpion has an ability to detect fake mediums. Uses some special kind of litmus paper he has developed I suspect.

If they say something utterly wrong like people on Mars and Venus it is obvious they are fakes. But most do not say anything so clearly mistaken, so it is hard to work them out.

 

[JayUtah]

I could give all my money away and sit in an empty room with no computer, but that would achieve nothing.

What are you achieving with it?

You're trying to "promote" a religion in a skeptics' forum, but you readily admit you have nothing that would appeal to a skeptic. You are savaging other religions, but you refuse to apply the same critical analysis to your own, and you frantically try to pretend this doesn't constitute a double standard. It seems the only effect your preaching and proselytizing has is to draw attention to you, even if it means enduring mockery -- about which you whine childishly from time to time. That's all a pretty selfish motive, and I can see no other effect for your use of your computer to post here.

If badly promoting a homegrown religion is your achievement, I fail to see how this is the best karmic outcome from everyone else who entered the lottery. Since you know nothing about what someone else would have done with the money, if they had won instead of you, I'd say it's pretty arrogant of you to assume your use of it was the best thing for everyone.

 

[JayUtah]

If they say something utterly wrong like people on Mars and Venus it is obvious they are fakes. But most do not say anything so clearly mistaken, so it is hard to work them out.

What if I consider statements like comparing the present state of humanity to kindergarten just as utterly wrong?

 

[Scorpion]

What if I consider statements like comparing the present state of humanity to kindergarten just as utterly wrong?

Humanity behaves like savages, killing each other in wars. I am sure we are capable of becoming far more that we are at present. It may be that we are only beginning our evolutionary journey.

 

[JayUtah]

Humanity behaves like savages, killing each other in wars.

Compared to ... ?

I am sure we are capable of becoming far more that we are at present.

What if we aren't? What facts say we will?

It may be that we are only beginning our evolutionary journey.

What facts say we are? See, this is just more double standards and circular reasoning. You expect some statements to comport to fact. But when your own beliefs are put to the same test, all you have is speculation and circularity.

 

[Pixel42]

I think its probably like ' back to the future' or ' terminator'. Changing small things alters the timeline.
The angels can see what difference they might be able to make by inspiring someone. So the future can be rewritten.

That's a major mis-remembering/misinterpretation of The Terminator. In that film the future is not changed one iota, in fact it's the attempt to change it which it ensures it happens. It's almost like you don't fully understand anything you read or see, but just assume it all fits with your expectations.