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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

steenkh said:
I wonder why you stopped coming to the spiritualist church because when you were constantly confirmed in your belief that spiritualism is true, then surely you had every reason to keep coming there?
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I first lost contact because I moved away from London to a town without a spiritualist church. I have susequently moved again, and there is a church in my new town, I went there a few times several years ago, but have not bothered since. With all this talk about evidence I might start going again to see if I can get some. But of course it will still be anecdotal.
 
Pixel42 said:
which suggests we don't have physical bodies in the spirit world. Now you're saying we do, and they can age not only forward but backward?

You also said we keep incarnating and then returning to the spirit world. Why would a baby continue to be a baby in the spirit world when it could presumably just go back to the "prime of life" body it had last time?
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According to the theories I have heard at trance lectures we have a spirit body that is more refined than the physical body. But sex is neutral.
Our incarnations are in separate partitions of the soul body and we cannot go back to our past body when we reincarnate. So if we die as a baby that baby has to grow up in the spirit world. But we do remember all our past lives when we reach a state of enlightenment at the end of our cycle of incarnations.
 
Can I suggest if you do go again that you record the sessions? Not only would that be physical evidence of what took place it would also enable you to confirm the accuracy of your memory and count the misses (which you are less likely to notice at the time) as well as the hits.
 
Scorpion said:
Yea thanks, I remember another experience that convinced me that esp exists.
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Is contradicted by:
Scorpion said:
If you want to know the truth, I am not really sure of anything anymore.
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So are you convinced that ESP exists, or are unsure?

Scorpion said:
I once had a friend that lived down the road, and one night I was very upset about something and I was having what might be described as a panic attack.
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I will suggest that your friend knew you to be a fragile, panicky fellow. He knew the signs and pre-empted your attack, getting there when you needed him.

A good friend, but not ESP.
 
Iamme said:
dlorde, see my answer above.
Kindly stop riding me.
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I see you've acknowledged your error, thanks. If you think being asked to substantiate assertions about posts in the thread is 'riding' you, you may be in the wrong forum...

That said, it's a great example of just the kind of memory glitches we've been talking about - nothing deliberate or malicious, just simple human error.
 
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SusanB-M1 said:
Scorpion

Ever the optimist, I do so hope that the doubts you have mentioned, and the fact that you are here on JREF, will bring you to the firm ground of reality. Also, may I say that, if you reach the clear truth that there are no messages from some afterlife, do not spend time on regret for the time invested in spiritualism etc. As a wise Aunt of mine used to say, 'You did the best you could at the time and took the decisions that were right for you at the time,' and regretting those decisions will not, cannot, change things. All the things we have done in life make us who we are now ... still keeping on trying to do the best we can!:)
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Right!
"Shoulda, woulda, coulda" only delays responding to similar situations later.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Karen and I have a playlist of favorite songs.

We met late in life.

While we often wonder how things would have played out had we met sooner, one song on that list is "Bless The Broken Road".

Maybe a bit heavy on the schmaltz, but when either one of us says "Broken Road", we know exactly what the other means.
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I listened to it! How lovely to have that kind of relationship - whatever time in life it is. I am so pleased that both my sons havehappy relationships. I wasn't lucky enough but always knew that to be on my own was better than (another!) wrong choice.
 
Scorpion said:
As a matter of fact, the more I remember of my experiences, the more convinced I become that I was right, and there is a spirit world.
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Remembering is a problem. Your inner self will "improve" any past experience if it's dwelled on.
I can "remember" a lot of things from 70 some years ago, but are they real?
Without any ancillary documentation, .. diary, relatives, no long ago memory can be trusted to be as it remembered today.
 
I think I know myself well enough that I can say that if I attended a Spiritualist Church and received all kinds of important and messages from the other side, I would not stop going. Even if I went there for healing and the healing was done, I'd still want to attend for all the accurate messages. Even if there were no church in my town, I'd find a way to get to one. And if I finally moved to a town that had such a church, I would certainly become a regular and not just check it out a few times and then drop it.

Also, since I know about the Church's high overhead, I would do everything I could to help set up a test with a skeptical group which offered a big cash prize. I might even collect a finder's fee (which I'd donate [a portion of] to the Church).

I believe that that would be my experience. The fact that it is not Scorpion's experience is very telling, I think.

Ward

P.S. I have attended a Spiritualist Church, and I received no accurate messages.
 
Scorpion said:
A picture with a lot of sky in it.
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Yeah, figured as much (darn, should have put money on it!)
I learned to paint as a kid by trying to recreate calendar photos, landscapes with a lot of sky-and-clouds scenes. Clouds remain one of my favorite subjects. Blue is a primary color and white, of course, is a good 50/50 bet.
So im guessing this was a cold read, maybe luke-warm if the reader knew anything about you or your style. You made the connection after the call--classic confirmation bias. I purposely made my tongue-in-cheek post abstract (all silly blue and white) because this would be the only example that might be of interest if it were a hit. You are simply ignoring the part of your picture that didn't consist of blue and white, to fit your bias. It's human nature. As for your 'not care much for it', well this is true for the vast majority of artists. I'm particularly hard on my own work--don't really care much for most of it--always think i can do better. Most of even the very best artists are really only known by their strongest work--generally only a very minute percentage of their entire boduy of work. So that part of the reading was almost a sure hit. Carry on...
 
Scorpion said:
To the best of my recollection the medium said the following.
" I have got your brother here" I said "No" The medium said "well he looks exactly like you". She then went on to say he had died in the war as a baby because there was no equipment in the hospital. I cannot remember the exact words but I do think she used the word "equipment" She then went on to say my brothers name, and that he had grown up in the spirit world.
He was studying to develop his intellect and he advised me to do the same, rather than allowing my head to be ruled by emotion. Which was an accurate reading of my personality.
When I asked my mother about it she said he died because there were no oxygen tents available because of the war.
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So the psychic said that a baby in world war two died due to lack of equipment. that isn't exactly a specific thing. That would apply to me as well though it would be a great uncle. And I'm sure many other posters here could say the same.

This is what people mean when they talk about tactics to fake being psychic. It seemed specific to you, at the time but it is something that would apply to a huge percent of your generation, and even mine.
 
Scorpion, what's your excuse as to why there is no scientific evidence to support your claims?
 
You missed it? If there was absolute proof of an afterlife we'd all start killing ourselves to get there. I guess somehow there is a gag-order by God on spirit guides.
 
stanfr said:
Yeah, figured as much (darn, should have put money on it!)
I learned to paint as a kid by trying to recreate calendar photos, landscapes with a lot of sky-and-clouds scenes. Clouds remain one of my favorite subjects. Blue is a primary color and white, of course, is a good 50/50 bet.
So im guessing this was a cold read, maybe luke-warm if the reader knew anything about you or your style. You made the connection after the call--classic confirmation bias. I purposely made my tongue-in-cheek post abstract (all silly blue and white) because this would be the only example that might be of interest if it were a hit. You are simply ignoring the part of your picture that didn't consist of blue and white, to fit your bias. It's human nature. As for your 'not care much for it', well this is true for the vast majority of artists. I'm particularly hard on my own work--don't really care much for most of it--always think i can do better. Most of even the very best artists are really only known by their strongest work--generally only a very minute percentage of their entire boduy of work. So that part of the reading was almost a sure hit. Carry on...
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Actually the painting was entirely blue and white, it was a largely sky but with a blue Buddha in the foreground. I do not think the medium had any way of knowing I was even an art student, let alone that I had done a blue and white painting a few days before.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Scorpion, what's your excuse as to why there is no scientific evidence to support your claims?
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As I have said, we are incarnate for experience sake, and we are not intended to know for sure there is a God or a spirit world. Because it would take away our freedom to act as we see fit. We would be afraid to do wrong with God looking over our shoulders so we would be inhibited all our lives.
We are meant to learn by trial and error, action and reaction,cause and effect, which creates karmic consequences.
 
Scorpion said:
As I have said, we are incarnate for experience sake, and we are not intended to know for sure there is a God or a spirit world. Because it would take away our freedom to act as we see fit. We would be afraid to do wrong with God looking over our shoulders so we would be inhibited all our lives.
We are meant to learn by trial and error, action and reaction,cause and effect, which creates karmic consequences.
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Aren't you causing harm by telling people this, then?
 
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