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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Gamolon said:
Why? I thought we needed to experience doing bad things as determined by the Angels of Karma? It's part of the evolutionary process right as you've described right?
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What is good for us, according to them, may not be something we perceive as pleasant or advisable. If I'm supposed to live in poverty as punishment for being a bad person in a prior life, and the angels tell me to make a bad investment and thereby lose my house, and I don't and act against their wishes, then where does that put me morally? These angels are more like trickster spirits. If I act judiciously and wisely, that may be the "wrong" thing to do. And since I can't remember the crap I'm supposedly being punished for, how does following a spirit's detrimental advice against my better judgment make me a better person in the long run?
 
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Gamolon said:
They directly interfered with you by giving you numbers to change your life circumstances.

Direct interference is direct interference no matter how you slice it.
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If they had given me six numbers that would have changed my life and it would have impacted on the people who would have won the money otherwise.
I could not afford a computer in 1998 but if I had not won the money I would have saved up for one. It might have taken me two years to do that, so winning the money helped me get computing sooner.

I think it is a quite subtle change, but it affected me positively without making much difference to any one else. I figure it was allowed by the angels or it would not have happened.
 
JayUtah said:
What is good for us, according to them, may not be something we perceive as pleasant or advisable. If I'm supposed to live in poverty as punishment for being a bad person in a prior life, and the angels tell me to make a bad investment and thereby lose my house, and I don't and act against their wishes, then where does that put me morally? These angels are more like trickster spirits. If I act judiciously and wisely, that may be the "wrong" thing to do. And since I can't remember the crap I'm supposedly being punished for, how does following a spirit's detrimental advice against my better judgment make me a better person in the long run?
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The long run is a very long run. It may be a million years. The human race is clearly spiritually unevolved as we still kill one another in wars and such.
We may incarnate for countless lifetimes before reaching the end of our cycle of rebirths. The present state of humanity has been compared to kindergarten. But in the long run everything will be worked out for our ultimate good.
 
Steve said:
Close. What we actually need to experience is having bad things done to us. Right Scorpion?
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It's four types of experiences that Scorpion has established an incarnation will experience:

1. Performing good actions that will result in happiness for others
2. Experiencing happiness as a result of other's good actions
3. Performing bad actions that will result in other's suffering
4. Experiencing suffering as a result of other's bad actions

Scorpion has stated that Angels of Karma see the future experiences (given or received) of all incarnations and each spirit is fitted into those incarnation based on what the spirit needs to evolve. This is why Scorpion stating that the Angels KNEW what Hitler would do, but allowed it because others needed to suffer to try and "balance their karmic debt".
 
JimOfAllTrades said:
But since it was one of the factors that sealed your belief in the angels (and other associated beliefs) isn't that a fairly major change to your life?
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My beliefs were much the same before winning the money. But yes, it is one of a handful of events that has shaped my views. But since it happened I figure the angels of karma allowed it. I do not think my departed relatives would be able to see into the future just because they died. In any case they would not be allowed to interfere by the spirit hierarchy. So I think it was an angel who gave me the win.
 
Scorpion said:
If they had given me six numbers that would have changed my life and it would have impacted on the people who would have won the money otherwise.
I could not afford a computer in 1998 but if I had not won the money I would have saved up for one. It might have taken me two years to do that, so winning the money helped me get computing sooner.
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Right.

So it changed your life. By two years!

Scorpion said:
I think it is a quite subtle change, but it affected me positively without making much difference to any one else.
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Without making "much difference" to anyone else? How do you know you didn't take that money from someone who really needed it? No matter how you slice it, you took money from someone else. It impacted someone somewhere in some capacity.
 
Gamolon said:
Right.

Without making "much difference" to anyone else? How do you know you didn't take that money from someone who really needed it? No matter how you slice it, you took money from someone else. It impacted someone somewhere in some capacity.
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It was £1182 and the pot that week was around 20 million pounds. The big winners did not need my share. It was a pittance to them.
 
Gamolon said:
Which gave you DIRECT PROOF of the spirit world. Something that is forbidden for a spirit to do.
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It is evidence to me, but not to anyone else. For example, nobody here believes me. I already believed in the spirit world, so all it did was tell me with reasonable certainty that some, spirit or angel could see into the future.
 
Scorpion said:
It was £1182 and the pot that week was around 20 million pounds. The big winners did not need my share. It was a pittance to them.
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You're missing the point.

How do you know you didn't take money from someone who may have needed it more, but got NOTHING.

Bottom line is you got money and someone else didn't get anything.
 
Gamolon said:
You're missing the point.

How do you know you didn't take money from someone who may have needed it more, but got NOTHING.

Bottom line is you got money and someone else didn't get anything.
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Nobody who got five or six numbers that week got nothing. I just got a small share of the pot.
 
Scorpion said:
It is evidence to me, but not to anyone else.
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So what?

Direct evidence is direct evidence whether it was given to one person or not. The "spirit law" according to you is that they are not allowed to give direct evidence PERIOD. Are you trying to say that it matters as to how many people are convinced as a result of this direct evidence in order for it to be considered breaking the spirit law?
 
Steve said:
Close. What we actually need to experience is having bad things done to us. Right Scorpion?
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Actions have consequences. If we harm others we may end up being harmed, either in this life or in a future incarnation.
 
Scorpion said:
Nobody who got five or six numbers that week got nothing. I just got a small share of the pot.
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Again, you're missing the point.

You mean to tell me that you know for a FACT that out of all the people who put in numbers and DIDN'T win a anything didn't need that money more than you? There was nobody out there that put their last bit of money into the lottery that needed clothes or food or a place to stay, or medicine? That your need for a computer was at the bottom of the "spirit list" after all other's needs were considered and then determined to be more of a need compared to you getting a computer?
 
Gamolon said:
So what?

Direct evidence is direct evidence whether it was given to one person or not. The "spirit law" according to you is that they are not allowed to give direct evidence PERIOD. Are you trying to say that it matters as to how many people are convinced as a result of this direct evidence in order for it to be considered breaking the spirit law?
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Some people know there is a spirit world, but the rest of the human race does not believe them, like all of you here. So it makes no difference to you what I say as you disregard it. If the spirit world were to absolutely prove its existence that would change the world. If God behaved like the bible says he did by interfering in human affairs big time, it would alter our views drastically and limit our choices.
I think the spirit world and the angels do what they can to alleviate our suffering, but they are not allowed to take control. We are here to work things out for ourselves by trial and error.
 
Scorpion said:
Actions have consequences. If we harm others we may end up being harmed, either in this life or in a future incarnation.
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Right and according to you, we are forced into incarnations that are foreseen to perform these harmful actions by the Angels of Karma.

Because certain spirits NEED it.
 
Gamolon said:
Again, you're missing the point.

You mean to tell me that you know for a FACT that out of all the people who put in numbers and DIDN'T win a anything didn't need that money more than you? There was nobody out there that put their last bit of money into the lottery that needed clothes or food or a place to stay, or medicine? That your need for a computer was at the bottom of the "spirit list" after all other's needs were considered and then determined to be more of a need compared to you getting a computer?
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If the angels determined they could inspire others with the winning numbers I dare say they would have done it. For all I know lots of people might get such voices.
As a matter of fact on the very first lottery draw my mother dreamed four numbers the night before. She dreamed more numbers but could not remember them. So she got a four number win. Who knows how many people have been helped win money from behind the scenes.
 
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