MORE Act. Legal Weed?

[Hercules56]

When states started approving it for medical use, I heard Sean Hannity ranting about how unnecessary it was, because cancer patients could just take four or five pills and get the same effect. Legalization or decriminalization would make heads explode.

Good. I'll help clean up the mess.

 

[acbytesla]

Great, I'm not trying to convince you since you're not using any form of rationale to come to your conclusion. You're merely saying, "since this is how I experience it, this is how everyone experiences it." Which I've said is anecdotal and isn't the case for everyone.

1. I NEVER SAID THAT.
2. Since when isn't personal experience not a rationale?

And finally, I believe that most people are consuming drugs because it directly affects their brain chemistry.

 

[3point14]

I'm from the same gene pool. So I doubt it.

I think the genetics would, fairly easily, allow for an inherited trait to be present in them and not in you.

Especially when I watched the decline and how it coincided with their use of drugs. Or when I would walk into their homes and see their zombie like contentment of being high.

That said, I see plenty of people who occasionally partake who don't seem to suffer long term effects.

 

[3point14]

1. I NEVER SAID THAT.
2. Since when isn't personal experience not a rationale?

And finally, I believe that most people are consuming drugs because it directly affects their brain chemistry.

Or climbing rocks, or skydiving or playing sport or having sex or any one of an uncountable number of things that people do that not only affect their brain chemistry but also are detrimental to their health.


Affecting one's brain chemistry is the reason people do things.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Why do potheads get so defensive about their pot use? Do what you want, you don't need to get so defensive about it you attack anybody who says they don't like it. Aren't you people supposed to be easy-going? As you surf the couch in your groovy pad?

 

[DuvalHMFIC]

I think it comes down to stereotypes. Most pot users don't look or act anything like that. It's akin to you drinking two beers a night and having society think you're routinely beating up your SO in a drunken stupor. You'd be shocked at how many people you probably interact with each day that get high on a regular basis, and may, in fact, be high in your presence and you won't have the slightest clue.

And I'm speaking from experience, of course. I don't smoke anymore, but I used to smoke fairly regularly.

 

[plague311]

Why do potheads get so defensive about their pot use?

Who is getting defensive? I'm contesting something I see as not factual.

Do what you want, you don't need to get so defensive about it you attack anybody who says they don't like it.

Who is getting "attacked"?

Aren't you people supposed to be easy-going? As you surf the couch in your groovy pad?

I'd say nothing in this thread has been aggressive or attacking at all. I've asked some questions, stated that I don't agree, and stated why. Isn't that how, like, a conversation works?

The same could be said in the opposite. Marijuana is being "blamed" for something that it probably has absolutely nothing to do with (the lack of success or motivation of someone's relatives). It's baseless in my opinion.

 

[acbytesla]

Or climbing rocks, or skydiving or playing sport or having sex or any one of an uncountable number of things that people do that not only affect their brain chemistry but also are detrimental to their health.


Affecting one's brain chemistry is the reason people do things.

Oh, ok. Do you really think these things are comparable? I don't.

But I'm not sure why you are harping on my personal impression? Especially since I've been very clear that I am not interested in telling others how they should live their lives and oppose any laws that do.

 

[acbytesla]

I think it comes down to stereotypes. Most pot users don't look or act anything like that. It's akin to you drinking two beers a night and having society think you're routinely beating up your SO in a drunken stupor. You'd be shocked at how many people you probably interact with each day that get high on a regular basis, and may, in fact, be high in your presence and you won't have the slightest clue.

And I'm speaking from experience, of course. I don't smoke anymore, but I used to smoke fairly regularly.

Most? Ive seen plenty that DO. Is it universal? No.

That said, Being an alcholic IMV is much worse. People certainly don't seem to be violent when stoned. The same is not true about drunks.

 

[Ranb]

You know and I know that the only argument at the federal level will be the price of the tax stamp.

There's simply too much money for the feds to not want their piece of it.

I agree!

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

You know and I know that the only argument at the federal level will be the price of the tax stamp.

There's simply too much money for the feds to not want their piece of it.

Are you thinking the Feds will eventually legalize so they can tax it? Consider that there are asset forfeiture rules in place now. And jobs at the DEA.

 

[Ranb]

One of my facebook friends commented on how a person should not be fired for smoking pot while not at work. I countered with my experiences in the shipyard regarding anyone who comes to work under the influence of drugs and operates for example, nuclear reactors or cranes.

I included being hung over, using prescription narcotics and weed. My point was that if a person signs a contract agreeing to drug testing and abstaining from drugs, then there is no way they should be complaining if they can't indulge in recreational use of drugs (including alcohol if it affects their work).

 

[TragicMonkey]

I think it comes down to stereotypes. Most pot users don't look or act anything like that. It's akin to you drinking two beers a night and having society think you're routinely beating up your SO in a drunken stupor. You'd be shocked at how many people you probably interact with each day that get high on a regular basis, and may, in fact, be high in your presence and you won't have the slightest clue.

And I'm speaking from experience, of course. I don't smoke anymore, but I used to smoke fairly regularly.

Good God, two beers a night? Alcoholic drunkenism!

 

[plague311]

One of my facebook friends commented on how a person should not be fired for smoking pot while not at work. I countered with my experiences in the shipyard regarding anyone who comes to work under the influence of drugs and operates for example, nuclear reactors or cranes.

I included being hung over, using prescription narcotics and weed. My point was that if a person signs a contract agreeing to drug testing and abstaining from drugs, then there is no way they should be complaining if they can't indulge in recreational use of drugs (including alcohol if it affects their work).

I don't think anyone should argue with that, they signed a contract. I signed no such contract at my job, and I'm extremely good at my job.

I saw a meme I agree with in its essence:

Random drug testing is your company\bosses way of saying they have absolutely no idea who does drugs.

I even told my boss that I wouldn't take any drug tests upon my hire unless I've done something wrong, am failing at my job, or it's a requirement for something I'm doing (certifications, etc.). Had he said, "I'll actually need you to submit to random drug testing", and I was hired under that presumption, then I either wouldn't have taken the job, or argued it. People should honor their words.

 

[DuvalHMFIC]

Most? Ive seen plenty that DO. Is it universal? No.

That said, Being an alcholic IMV is much worse. People certainly don't seem to be violent when stoned. The same is not true about drunks.

More people are smoking pot regularly than you think. And my point is that for a lot of them, you wouldn't know it.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article145681414.html

This article says about as many are smoking marijuana regularly as are smoking cigarettes. So are you telling me that 1 in every 5 people you know looks like the stereotypical stoner? Based on my own experience, I'd say for every person that I could recognize as being high, there's probably another 3 or 4 that are high but you wouldn't know it unless they told you. Anecdotes, of course, but we've already introduced these into the conversation.

I think there's an old saying, "pot doesn't make people lazy, but plenty of lazy people sure do enjoy pot."

 

[ponderingturtle]

One of my facebook friends commented on how a person should not be fired for smoking pot while not at work. I countered with my experiences in the shipyard regarding anyone who comes to work under the influence of drugs and operates for example, nuclear reactors or cranes.

I included being hung over, using prescription narcotics and weed. My point was that if a person signs a contract agreeing to drug testing and abstaining from drugs, then there is no way they should be complaining if they can't indulge in recreational use of drugs (including alcohol if it affects their work).

Yep a beer after work should get you fired in that situation. You promised to never drink and that is what you need to do to operate such equipment.

The problem here being of course that being drunk at work and testing positive for using pot are not remotely the same thing as the tests show positive for weeks after use and you don't stay high for weeks after use. So being employed should require total abstinence of all such substances. Like if they put you on opiods at the hospital you should lose your damn job.

 

[3point14]

Oh, ok. Do you really think these things are comparable?

Yup.

I don't.

Could you explain the fundamental difference as you see it?

But I'm not sure why you are harping on my personal impression? Especially since I've been very clear that I am not interested in telling others how they should live their lives and oppose any laws that do.

Fair point. Perhaps I'm trying to convince you that your personal impression is in error.

 

[BStrong]

Are you thinking the Feds will eventually legalize so they can tax it? Consider that there are asset forfeiture rules in place now. And jobs at the DEA.

AF is a drop in the bucket compared to the sales tax the states that have legalized/decriminalized marijuana have raked in:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrew...oney-states-make-cannabis-sales/#34a5df7cf181

Not surprisingly, California is a juggernaut with over $2.75 billion in cannabis sales. Yet its northern neighbors Oregon and Washington are no slouches either. Oregon tallied more than $500 million in recreational sales and another $275 million in medical. Washington pulled in over $975 million through recreational, plus $61 million from medical sales.

Washington has marijuana sales in excess of $1 billion despite its population being a fraction of California's — 7.4 million in Washington vs. 39.5 million— while its GDP is less than a fifth of the Golden State's: $517 billion vs. $2.8 trillion, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. Indeed, such outsize profits is one of the main draws of legalized, taxed marijuana. Meanwhile, in 17 other states, marijuana remains a controlled substance, and three states — Idaho, Kansas and Nebraska — don't even have standing laws addressing marijuana-related use.

And there is no reason that the feds couldn't still use AF against growers/dealers that they discover haven't paid for the appropriate tax stamps - just like alcohol & tobacco.

 

[acbytesla]

More people are smoking pot regularly than you think. And my point is that for a lot of them, you wouldn't know it.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article145681414.html

This article says about as many are smoking marijuana regularly as are smoking cigarettes. So are you telling me that 1 in every 5 people you know looks like the stereotypical stoner? Based on my own experience, I'd say for every person that I could recognize as being high, there's probably another 3 or 4 that are high but you wouldn't know it unless they told you. Anecdotes, of course, but we've already introduced these into the conversation.

I think there's an old saying, "pot doesn't make people lazy, but plenty of lazy people sure do enjoy pot."

That must explain why I think so many people are morons. You think?

 

[plague311]

That must explain why I think so many people are morons. You think?

LoL Jesus ******* Christ, what a ******** thing to say.