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MORE Act. Legal Weed?

Craig4 said:
The five percent is too high when you add it to the state taxes. It will push it back to the black market. That could be as high as 15 percent total tax on sales.
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I don't think this will be the case. Take North Dakota for instance, 3.5 grams of weed (your standard 'eighth') sells for $60US. In Colorado the cost is about $32 for the same amount. You could add 10% on to that cost and it wouldn't be close to ND's black market cost.

acbytesla said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3037578/
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I'm not contesting that it has an effect. I'm contesting it's a waste of one's mental faculties. For some of us, escaping ones mental faculties is the entire goal. I have an extremely, extremely active brain. Smoking pot is one of the few things that gets it to settle down. It's not up to anyone else to tell me how I should use my own brain.

ETA: Also, drugs affect people in entirely different ways. Your article might be relevant to some people, but not all.

ETA ETA: If you follow the link in that article to the finished product, you'll notice they added a massive qualifier:

Cannabis use may impair cognitive functions on a number of levels—from basic motor coordination to more complex executive function tasks, such as the ability to plan, organize, solve problems, make decisions, remember, and control emotions and behavior. These deficits differ in severity depending on the quantity, recency, age of onset, and duration of marijuana use.
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ponderingturtle said:
That is plenty to class it as a drug though and as such should only be used under the care of a doctor. Anyone who uses caffeine clearly is a drug user, and you have made your stance on that clear.
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I DON'T drink coffee, energy drinks or take caffeine. I think it probably is better for people not to. But I am not a Doctor and I don't or desire to make decisions for others. Admittedly, I have less of a personal issue with their consumption as I don't see a negative cognitive effect. If anything, it seems as if people consume caffeine more for an energy boost.
 
3point14 said:
Are you saying that anything that may have lasting effects on one's health are, de facto, things one should not do?
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Yeah. Particularly when it degrades brain functions. But people are going to do what they are going to do.
 
plague311 said:
I'm not contesting that it has an effect. I'm contesting it's a waste of one's mental faculties. For some of us, escaping ones mental faculties is the entire goal. I have an extremely, extremely active brain. Smoking pot is one of the few things that gets it to settle down. It's not up to anyone else to tell me how I should use my own brain.

ETA: Also, drugs affect people in entirely different ways. Your article might be relevant to some people, but not all.

ETA ETA: If you follow the link in that article to the finished product, you'll notice they added a massive qualifier:
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I don't disagree with any of that. I have seen both high functioning canabis users and alcoholics. Some individuals seem less or more affected than others. I grant you that. I have been drunk and stoned in my life. Neither would I describe as positive and in neither case would I say my cognitive functions were enhanced. I think I too have an "active brain". I can't imagine wanting to slow it down.

But hey, that's me. That said, I've personally seen canabis destroy people's lives.
I'm not telling anyone how to live their lives. I also do not support the government telling them either.
 
acbytesla said:
I DON'T drink coffee, energy drinks or take caffeine. I think it probably is better for people not to. But I am not a Doctor and I don't or desire to make decisions for others. Admittedly, I have less of a personal issue with their consumption as I don't see a negative cognitive effect. If anything, it seems as if people consume caffeine more for an energy boost.
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...at high doses, there is an increase in tense arousal, including anxiety, nervousness, jitteriness.
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You probably can't "see negative cognitive effect(s)" in people that smoke pot either. In fact, I'd bet you interact with people that smoke weed all of the time with absolutely no clue that they do. You read something, it confirmed your bias, and now you're repeating it. As wrong as it is.
 
acbytesla said:
But hey, that's me. That said, I've personally seen canabis destroy people's lives.
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I'm not going to address your other statements, because I find them to be anecdotal. You appear, to me, to be applying your anecdotal experiences to others. Which is fine, but I'm genuinely curious about this statement. How has cannabis destroyed people's lives?
 
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Legalize? Not yet.

Decriminalize? End all prosecutions? Allow research and interstate commerce? Absolutely.
 
acbytesla said:
Yeah. Particularly when it degrades brain functions. But people are going to do what they are going to do.
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Most sport, played at a high level, have a detrimental effect on one's future health.

Running, at any level, can absolutely knacker one's knees and actually induce chemical dependency.


I don't think 'may cause health problems in future' is in any way a reasonable standard.
 
plague311 said:
I'm not going to address your other statements, because I find them to be anecdotal. You appear, to me, to be applying your anecdotal experiences to others. Which is fine, but I'm genuinely curious about this statement. How has cannabis destroyed people's lives?
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I'm from a family of 9 children. I'm next to the youngest. Every single sibling is a regular even obsessive canabis user. And I've personally seen a decline in their mental and motor functions. I saw highly motivated individuals lose their motivation almost entirely. I've seen friends experience the same result. Can it all be attributed to cannabis use? Who's to say? I'm not sure how to eliminate the other variables.

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plague311 said:
You probably can't "see negative cognitive effect(s)" in people that smoke pot either. In fact, I'd bet you interact with people that smoke weed all of the time with absolutely no clue that they do. You read something, it confirmed your bias, and now you're repeating it. As wrong as it is.
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Really? As I said, I've been stoned and I can say from my experience that my cognitive and motor functions suffered. I remain unconvinced that this isn't true of others.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm from a family of 9 children. I'm next to the youngest. Every single sibling is a regular even obsessive canabis user. And I've personally seen a decline in their mental and motor functions. I saw highly motivated individuals lose their motivation almost entirely. I've seen friends experience the same result. Can it all be attributed to cannabis use? Who's to say? I'm not sure how to eliminate the other variables.

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Uhm, if it's all of them then I would say it's extremely more likely to be in their genes rather than related to marijuana. Again, though, this is anecdotal. I just wanted to make sure that none of this was rooted in actual, physical evidence. It was just based on your own personal experiences.

Thanks for indulging me, it's appreciated.
 
Hercules56 said:
Legalize? Not yet.

Decriminalize? End all prosecutions? Allow research and interstate commerce? Absolutely.
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When states started approving it for medical use, I heard Sean Hannity ranting about how unnecessary it was, because cancer patients could just take four or five pills and get the same effect. Legalization or decriminalization would make heads explode.
 
acbytesla said:
Really? As I said, I've been stoned and I can say from my experience that my cognitive and motor functions suffered. I remain unconvinced that this isn't true of others.
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Great, I'm not trying to convince you since you're not using any form of rationale to come to your conclusion. You're merely saying, "since this is how I experience it, this is how everyone experiences it." Which I've said is anecdotal and isn't the case for everyone.
 
plague311 said:
Uhm, if it's all of them then I would say it's extremely more likely to be in their genes rather than related to marijuana. Again, though, this is anecdotal. I just wanted to make sure that none of this was rooted in actual, physical evidence. It was just based on your own personal experiences.

Thanks for indulging me, it's appreciated.
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I'm from the same gene pool. So I doubt it.

Especially when I watched the decline and how it coincided with their use of drugs. Or when I would walk into their homes and see their zombie like contentment of being high.

That said, I see plenty of people who occasionally partake who don't seem to suffer long term effects.
 
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