Eric Ciaramella - whistleblower

[smartcooky]

That's what you got? Childish emoticons?

Not ONCE have you addressed the substance of the Whistleblower's report.

Is Colonel Vindman lying? How about Ambassador Yovanovitch? Ambassador Taylor? Fiona Hill, George Kent? Hell, even the White House doctored transcript of the President's phone call confirms the meat of the whistleblower's report.

So why oh why does it make a damn bit of difference if the Whistleblower is a Democrat, a goat or an alien from another planet?

Don't go putting ideas in his head!!!

 

[portlandatheist]

This should have been posted in the "trumpers are fascists" thread.

perfect.

 

[smartcooky]

The hearsay arguments are just from Trump supporters and they are subhuman. His status is not complicated unless you're Trumptrash and then your objections don't matter.

 

[Checkmite]

Except that no one is fooled. It's assumed that what you quote and which agrees with what you usually quote or say is something you (general) agree with.

Well sure, that is a safe, reasonable, and even logical assumption to make. But that won't stop me from pointing out that I never explicitly said I agreed with it and therefore anything suggesting it is my own personal position on the matter is a dirty rotten strawman.

 

[Belz...]

I also have to note the way the Trumpers have now embraced Vladimir Putin.

And now that they can use him as a punchline, finally disavowed Joseph McCarthy.

 

[Belz...]

Well sure, that is a safe, reasonable, and even logical assumption to make. But that won't stop me from pointing out that I never explicitly said I agreed with it and therefore anything suggesting it is my own personal position on the matter is a dirty rotten strawman.

Are... are you responding to my post? I was talking about applecorped's OP.

 

[applecorped]

The whistleblower’s ties to Democrats, including Biden, Schiff, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of Intelligence James Clapper and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice

 

[Upchurch]

The whistleblower’s ties to Democrats, including Biden, Schiff, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of Intelligence James Clapper and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice

That’s a third of a real sentence. The verb comes next.

Also, the whistleblower’s ties are irrelevant as Trump has already released a transcript of, at least, some of their claims.

 

[Craig4]

The whistleblower’s ties to Democrats, including Biden, Schiff, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of Intelligence James Clapper and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice

How does your sentence fragment make the whistleblower wrong? I also notice that only Trumptrash news outlets are running the story.

 

[Belz...]

The whistleblower’s ties to Democrats, including Biden, Schiff, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of Intelligence James Clapper and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice

By the same token, since you're a Republican, we cannot take anything you say seriously.

I, however, as one of the forum's precious few centrists, am always right.

 

[TragicMonkey]

By the same token, since you're a Republican, we cannot take anything you say seriously.

I, however, as one of the forum's precious few centrists, am always right.

You consider yourself a centrist? On what scale? As a barycenter between the sun and Proxima Centauri?

 

[varwoche]

The whistleblower’s ties to Democrats, including Biden, Schiff, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of Intelligence James Clapper and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice

This is wrong in so many ways it's comical.

(1) It's an incomplete thought (I've been telling you for a while, stick with the emojis)

(2) Any and all facts about the whistle-blower are mooter than moot.

(3) It's premature to elevate these rumors to fact.

(4) The imbecile who is circulating this information illegally, Devin Nunes, is a spectacularly unreliable fact source.

 

[Belz...]

You consider yourself a centrist?

Given that I have opinions that are alternatively liberal and conservative, that I rarely entirely agree with either side, and that I don't identify by political ideology, yeah. I've been called right-wing and a radical leftist on this site, in close succession, sometimes in the same thread.

How would you classify me?

 

[TragicMonkey]

Given that I have opinions that are alternatively liberal and conservative, that I rarely entirely agree with either side, and that I don't identify by political ideology, yeah. I've been called right-wing and a radical leftist on this site, in close succession, sometimes in the same thread.

How would you classify me?

I don't think centrism is just averaging together the math of some right opinions and some left opinions. I think it would have to be more an assessment done by giving weighted values in order of priority to each political position. Which I guess would be math after all, but with more than just checkboxes counting number of positions.

As far assessing you goes, I don't know you well enough. I don't think centrism is the assumed default for people who don't fit neatly into a left-right spectrum. I don't fit nearly myself but nobody would call me a centrist. Some of my positions are to the left of the Borg Collective, and others would make the Tsars blink.

 

[varwoche]

I intend to make this my only post on this side track: I don't see the value in self-identifying on the political spectrum. There's no real upside, but there is potential downside of tribal identification / rigidity of thought.

 

[Belz...]

I don't think centrism is just averaging together the math of some right opinions and some left opinions. I think it would have to be more an assessment done by giving weighted values in order of priority to each political position.

I never mentioned math or averages. The point of centrism is simply to have moderate views and not commit to one ideology or another.

As far assessing you goes, I don't know you well enough.

TM, we've still interacted with me for as long as I've been here (14 years). You must have some idea of where I stand on various issues, and be aware that I pretty much never espouse extremist views, and that I don't fall within one "side" or another of the political spectrum.

 

[Parsman]

The whistleblower’s ties to Democrats, including Biden, Schiff, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of Intelligence James Clapper and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice

I suppose Bill Taylor, John Bolton, Sondland, Lt Col Vidman. Maria Yovanovitch and all the other people who have given or will be giving testimony that back up the whistleblower complaint are also died in the wool democrats with ties to some sort of deep state. Or maybe, just maybe, Trump is a corrupt idiot.

 

[Belz...]

I intend to make this my only post on this side track: I don't see the value in self-identifying on the political spectrum. There's no real upside, but there is potential downside of tribal identification / rigidity of thought.

Well, it was a joke on my part to set up the idea that I'm always right, but sometimes to point is to avoid labels by others. As I said I've been accused of being a right-winger and a progressive in the very same thread!

 

[phiwum]

I intend to make this my only post on this side track: I don't see the value in self-identifying on the political spectrum. There's no real upside, but there is potential downside of tribal identification / rigidity of thought.

Typical anarchist claptrap. Figures.

 

[phiwum]

TM, we've still interacted with me for as long as I've been here (14 years). You must have some idea of where I stand on various issues, and be aware that I pretty much never espouse extremist views, and that I don't fall within one "side" or another of the political spectrum.

Be fair. We interact with lots of posters on lots of subjects and are often lucky if we just have a vague impression of the other guy.

If you pressed me, I couldn't name a single opinion of yours that falls on the conservative side of the spectrum. It's not that think you're particularly liberal, it's just that I can't recall particular stances that have led to my opinion of your political bent. I read your posts and respond to you about as much as to anyone, but I don't take notes.