Eric Ciaramella - whistleblower

phiwum said:
Be fair. We interact with lots of posters on lots of subjects and are often lucky if we just have a vague impression of the other guy.

If you pressed me, I couldn't name a single opinion of yours that falls on the conservative side of the spectrum. It's not that think you're particularly liberal, it's just that I can't recall particular stances that have led to my opinion of your political bent. I read your posts and respond to you about as much as to anyone, but I don't take notes.
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Well I guess I'm not as beloved on the forum as I had anticipated. (sniff)
 
Belz... said:
TM, we've still interacted with me for as long as I've been here (14 years). You must have some idea of where I stand on various issues, and be aware that I pretty much never espouse extremist views, and that I don't fall within one "side" or another of the political spectrum.
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In that case you should have no trouble in easily classifying me on the left-center-right spectrum. Let's see, I'm in favor of universal healthcare, the death penalty, crippling the banks, mandatory national service, legalized prostitution, prohibition of alcohol stronger than wine and beer, Puerto Rican independence, the option of public flogging instead of prison sentences, semi-nationalizing critical industries by having the government buy shares of publicly traded companies, and war with Russia. I dislike Obama, hate Hillary, and loathe Trump. And I'd forgive all of Trump's crimes and shenanigans if he'd fight back against Russian interests instead of furthering them.

Am I right, left, or center?
 
TragicMonkey said:
In that case you should have no trouble in easily classifying me on the left-center-right spectrum.
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Come on, TM. You're not a beloved member of the forum. ;)

Let's see, I'm in favor of universal healthcare, the death penalty, crippling the banks, mandatory national service, legalized prostitution, prohibition of alcohol stronger than wine and beer, Puerto Rican independence, the option of public flogging instead of prison sentences, semi-nationalizing critical industries by having the government buy shares of publicly traded companies, and war with Russia. I dislike Obama, hate Hillary, and loathe Trump. And I'd forgive all of Trump's crimes and shenanigans if he'd fight back against Russian interests instead of furthering them.
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Sounds like you're well rounded to me.

Wait, are you really for public flogging or was that a random bit you just threw in there? And nuclear war, really?

ETA: I really didn't intend to derail the thread with a joke; I'm just curious why you reacted as you did to my self-labeling.
 
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Belz... said:
Come on, TM. You're not a beloved member of the forum. ;)



Sounds like you're well rounded to me.

Wait, are you really for public flogging or was that a random bit you just threw in there? And nuclear war, really?

ETA: I really didn't intend to derail the thread with a joke; I'm just curious why you reacted as you did to my self-labeling.
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Yes to the flogging, I said "war" not "nuclear war", and no I'm not well-rounded. I'm a crank. But so are most people. Well-roundedness is an illusion, the collective lie that anything people do can be "normal" and that "normal" means anything. We are a species made up of individual eccentrics and not a one of us much less a group can truly claim the authority of "normal". There is only "accustomed", and absolutely anything can be that, given time.
 
applecorped said:
... Alexandra Chalupa, was paid $412,000 from 2004 to June 2016 by the DNC.
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applecorped said:
The whistleblower’s ties to Democrats, including Biden, Schiff, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of Intelligence James Clapper and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice
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You've got to love these desperate attempts to make normal government activities appear sinister. Oh, my god, she was PAID? $412,000?!?! Clearly she's just in it for the money, which averages almost $35,000 a year for the 12 YEARS she was working for them.

And he has "ties" to all those Democrats? You mean, all the elected and appointed officials that formed the government he was working for as a public servant? That Rat Bastard!

This is nothing more than the latest Trumpista attack on the professional public service of the United States. You worked here when Obama was President? You're obviously a traitor!!!!!

**** this noise.
 
Horatius said:
You've got to love these desperate attempts to make normal government activities appear sinister. Oh, my god, she was PAID? $412,000?!?! Clearly she's just in it for the money, which averages almost $35,000 a year for the 12 YEARS she was working for them.

And he has "ties" to all those Democrats? You mean, all the elected and appointed officials that formed the government he was working for as a public servant? That Rat Bastard!

This is nothing more than the latest Trumpista attack on the professional public service of the United States. You worked here when Obama was President? You're obviously a traitor!!!!!

**** this noise.
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Thank you, this is an excellent example of the sort of absurd corner people paint themselves into when they swallow everything they hear/read uncritically, even if it comes from <loud guffaw> Devin Nunes!

If it's true that the whistle-blower has been correctly identified, I won't be slightly surprised if all these deep ties to Biden amount to simply having worked in the Obama administration as a peon.
 
varwoche said:
Thank you, this is an excellent example of the sort of absurd corner people paint themselves into when they swallow everything they hear/read uncritically, even if it comes from <loud guffaw> Devin Nunes!

If it's true that the whistle-blower has been correctly identified, I won't be slightly surprised if all these deep ties to Biden amount to simply having worked in the Obama administration as a peon.
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They're playing six degrees of Obama.

That guy is such a boogeyman for them!
 
varwoche said:
Thank you, this is an excellent example of the sort of absurd corner people paint themselves into when they swallow everything they hear/read uncritically, even if it comes from <loud guffaw> Devin Nunes!

If it's true that the whistle-blower has been correctly identified, I won't be slightly surprised if all these deep ties to Biden amount to simply having worked in the Obama administration as a peon.
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It's already clear that this is the case. Just look at what they're trying to do with all this "He invited her to the White House for a meeting!" nonsense. She was a lobbyist for the Ukrainian Government, he was an analyst for the US government, assigned to the White House, who specialized in the Ukrainian government. It would have been quite surprising if they hadn't had some sort of professional engagement.
 
This is another side effect of highly partisan, nobody is allowed to be neutral, argumentative it makes the already pretty much meaningless term "bias" mean even less.

That's why so many debates are stuck in an endless loop of "I'm not going to listen until you provide a non-bias source, and a non-biased source is a source that already agrees with me."
 
applecorped said:
The whistleblower’s ties to Democrats, including Biden, Schiff, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of Intelligence James Clapper and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice
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Who the **** CARES?!! Is the substance of the report correct? Do you have any damn reason to believe it isn't? Any?
 
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JoeMorgue said:
This is another side effect of highly partisan, nobody is allowed to be neutral, argumentative it makes the already pretty much meaningless term "bias" mean even less.

That's why so many debates are stuck in an endless loop of "I'm not going to listen until you provide a non-bias source, and a non-biased source is a source that already agrees with me."
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I generally agree that "bias" is hammered too much.

But I really don't want to wade through a random blog article with scare quotes and sneering adjectives, outright lies and blatant omissions and take that as a source for a news story. After you've seen enough of them, trying to parse through and squeeze the actual known facts out of that is not worth my time. "Bias" does have a meaning, although I suppose we could use other words to describe those kinds of sources.
 
Belz... said:
Welcome to the present day, where facts don't matter. Allegiance does.
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That's the point. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS. Go back to the facts. Never address their MORONIC and DISHONEST attempt at DIVERSION!!!

They can't and won't address the facts and reality. Not Prestige. Not Applecorped, Not Zig

Instead, they want to blame the Democrats for an unfair process. Applecorped wants to suggest this is all just bias. If it is bias Applecorped, what did the whistleblower get wrong?

Not a one of them want to focus on what the President and his gang did. There's a reason that Perry, Pompeo, Pence, and Giuliani are refusing the subpoenas. Every single one of them look like they were involved in this scheme and they KNOW it is indefensible.
 
timhau said:
Look, the proto-form of a spine. Now watch it melt away in a matter of days.
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Reminds me of one of my favorite cartoons:

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applecorped said:
He worked with Alexandra Chalupa, who Glenn Beck exposed as directly contributing to the Russian-collusion hoax, among other things. Then, there’s the false report that Vladimir Putin ordered President Trump to fire James Comey. Yep, that whopper came from our guy Ciaramella.

https://noqreport.com/2019/11/01/real-reason-democrats-hiding-alleged-whistleblower-eric-ciaramella/
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His background and testimony is rendered irrelevant with all of the testimonies now on the record.
 
Bob001 said:
What the Trumpers don't seem willing to grasp is that all federal government employees are sworn -- literally -- to protect the U.S. Constitution and serve the American people, not help a President get re-elected or protect him from exposure of his crimes.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3331
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Its probably not that they are unwilling to grasp this. Its that they are in all liklihood incapable of understanding anything other than showing blind loyalty to Dear Leader, and blind faith in their tribe. Its why they so readily adopt the idea of Trump as a "Forever President" - no need to bother with inconveniences like democracy and pesky old elections.

ETA: Its probably where the mentality of people like these two in-breds comes from...

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These sorts of idiots ought to try talking to low-end working class Russians before making this kind of statement. They should also be careful what they wish for!
 
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