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The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Radical Left Dem Mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frey, is doing everything possible to stifle Free Speech despite a record sell-out crowd at the Target Center. Presidents Clinton and Obama paid almost nothing! The Minneapolis Police have been incredible....

....In fact, the “Cops For Trump” T-shirt Web Site CRASHED because of incredible volume, but is now back up and running. Proceeds go to the Police Union Charities. See you on Thursday night in Minneapolis!
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I wonder if the Police Union Charities will book an award ceremony for Trump at Mar-a-Lago like the Palm Beach police charity did.
 
Which country has spent the most money at Trump properties?

If you guessed Turkey, you're pretty good!
 
Trump Tweets

They don’t have a clue, but I do. The USA is doing great despite the Fed!

Adam Schiff is a disgrace to our Country!

So why is someone a good or great President if they needed to Spy on someone else’s Campaign in order to win (that didn’t work out so well), and if they were unable to fill 142 important Federal Judgeships (a record by far), handing them all to me to chose. Will have 182 soon!
 
Trump Tweets

True. Should have never been there in the first place!

Sergio Gor
@SergioGor
It’s expected that some in the GOP who took us into these endless quagmires in the Middle East are unhappy about ending wars, but where is the left? The silence is resounding. Silence is not always golden. @realDonaldTrump is doing the right thing & should have bipartisan support
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

They don’t have a clue, but I do. The USA is doing great despite the Fed!

Adam Schiff is a disgrace to our Country!

So why is someone a good or great President if they needed to Spy on someone else’s Campaign in order to win (that didn’t work out so well), and if they were unable to fill 142 important Federal Judgeships (a record by far), handing them all to me to chose. Will have 182 soon!
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Trump didn't tweet:

Your favorite president is a lying scumbag who has destroyed our position in the world, but look at all those right-wing judges.
 
Trump Tweets

President Obama said that he did not have the right to sign DACA, that it will never hold up in court. He signed it anyway! If the Supreme Court upholds DACA, it gives the President extraordinary powers, far greater than ever thought. If they do what is right and do not let......

....DACA stand, with all of its negative legal implications, the Republicans and Democrats will have a DEAL to let them stay in our Country, in very short order. It would actually benefit DACA, and be done the right way!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

President Obama said that he did not have the right to sign DACA, that it will never hold up in court. He signed it anyway! If the Supreme Court upholds DACA, it gives the President extraordinary powers, far greater than ever thought. If they do what is right and do not let......

....DACA stand, with all of its negative legal implications, the Republicans and Democrats will have a DEAL to let them stay in our Country, in very short order. It would actually benefit DACA, and be done the right way!
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Unsurprising, President Obama didn't actually say that. It's a repetition of claims from his opponents.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

True. Should have never been there in the first place!

Sergio Gor
@SergioGor
It’s expected that some in the GOP who took us into these endless quagmires in the Middle East are unhappy about ending wars, but where is the left? The silence is resounding. Silence is not always golden. @realDonaldTrump is doing the right thing & should have bipartisan support
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Yet Trump seems to ignore the fact that he himself once supported the invasion of Iraq and the bombing campaign in Libya (you know, the events that contributed to those "endless quagmires".)
 
As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)
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I think I get it now: "great and unmatched wisdom" is a joke, and a sick one. Since virtually everyone in the world knows that Trump does not possess great and unmatched wisdom, nobody should expect him to lift a finger as Turkey slaughters our betrayed allies.
 
The Kurdish led Syrian Democratic Forces are reporting civilian losses from Turkish attacks.

Their blood is on the hands President Trump. And this is just the beginning.
 
Trump Tweets

So why is someone a good or great President if they needed to Spy on someone else’s Campaign in order to win (that didn’t work out so well), and if they were unable to fill 142 important Federal Judgeships (a record by far), handing them all to me to choose. Will have 182 soon!

Only 25 percent want the President Impeached, which is pretty low considering the volume of Fake News coverage, but pretty high considering the fact that I did NOTHING wrong. It is all just a continuation of the greatest Scam and Witch Hunt in the history of our Country!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

So why is someone a good or great President if they needed to Spy on someone else’s Campaign in order to win (that didn’t work out so well), and if they were unable to fill 142 important Federal Judgeships (a record by far), handing them all to me to choose. Will have 182 soon!

Only 25 percent want the President Impeached, which is pretty low considering the volume of Fake News coverage, but pretty high considering the fact that I did NOTHING wrong. It is all just a continuation of the greatest Scam and Witch Hunt in the history of our Country!
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25% of Republicans maybe, 50%-60% of the electorate in general according to recent polls.
 
Ryokan said:
The Kurdish led Syrian Democratic Forces are reporting civilian losses from Turkish attacks.

Their blood is on the hands President Trump. And this is just the beginning.
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He, and the GOP don't care one jot.

As long as they stay in power, line their pockets and please their donors - brown people half a world away don't matter at all.
 
With Televangelist Pat Robertson criticizing Trump's decision to abandon Kurdish allies and his response to the Jamal Khashoggi killing, is Trump dumb enough to counter attack and start insulting one of the heads of his evangelical base?
 
kellyb said:
Have you read "The Authoritarians"?

https://www.theauthoritarians.org/

(Anyone who hasn't read it, needs to. It's very entertaining as well as being rock solid scientifically, and it's not long. And it's free!)
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I shared this on FB and sadly, predictably got this reply from a "Conservative" (actually Populist) friend:

"Three things cannot be discounted. 1) Trump won 58% of the white vote. 2) Hillary was the opposition and the dislike for her is as strong among the Right as it is for Trump on the Left. 3) I don't care what any poll says, a lot of Americans, white Americans, are tired of the losing the culture wars. "Dial 1 for English." sums it up. Trump's views on immigration resonated with a lot of Americans whether they said anything or not. We were being blamed for not caring about thousands and thousands of uninvited, unskilled, God-only-knows-what-diseaes-they-may-be-carrying Latinos. The Left-wing media ran with that as far as they could. Trump supporters were accused of "not caring" for these people; not even to the extent of providing a basic Christian care instead allowing them to wallow in filthy conditions.
Still. Trump IS, without question, undeniably unfit for the Presidency. The only way to remove him from office is through the ballot box. Wait 13 months, you'll get your chance."
 
Minoosh said:
Romney got more votes in 2012 than Trump did in 2016.
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Actually no.

Here's the 2012 exit poll calculations.

2012 Election | Democratic Party | Republican Party | Independents | Total Votes
Obama | 45,128,259 | 2,478,440 | 16,845,646 | 61,573,741
Romney | 3,433,672 | 38,415,818 | 18,717,384 | 59,611,642
All Others | 490,525 | 413,073 | 1,871,738 | 7,900,027
Party Totals | 49,052,456 | 41,307,331 | 37,434,769 | 129,085,410


And here's the 2016 exit poll calculations.

2016 Election | Democratic Party | Republican Party | Independents | Vote Totals
Clinton | 45,005,193 | 3,608,069 | 17,220,329 | 65,833,590
Trump | 4,045,411 | 39,688,758 | 18,860,360 | 62,594,528
All Others | 1,517,029 | 1,804,034 | 4,920,094 | 8,241,157
Party Totals | 50,567,632 | 45,100,861 | 41,000,783 | 136,669,276


As you can see from the delta table. Clinton went negative in her own party slightly.

2016-2012 Delta | Democratic Party | Republican Party | Independents | Total Votes
Clinton | -123,067 | 1,129,629 | 374,683 | 4,259,850
Trump | 611,739 | 1,272,940 | 142,976 | 2,982,886
All Others | 1,026,504 | 1,390,961 | 3,048,355 | 341,130
Party Totals | 1,515,176 | 3,793,530 | 3,566,014 | 7,583,866


But the exciting part in the change table, Clinton really pulled in Republican voters.
On the other hand Trump had an appeal for Democratic Party registered voters,
but to a lesser degree.

2016/2012 Change | Democratic Party | Republican Party | Independents | Total Votes
Clinton | 99.73% | 145.58% | 102.22% | 106.92%
Trump | 117.82% | 103.31% | 100.76% | 105.00%
All Others | 309.27% | 436.73% | 262.86% | 104.32%
Party Totals | 103.09% | 109.18% | 109.53% | 105.88%


2016 Exit Polls Cornell University
2012 Exit Polls Cornell University
 
Solitaire said:
Romney got more votes in 2012 than Trump did in 2016.
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Actually no.

Here's the 2012 exit poll calculations.

2012 Election | Democratic Party | Republican Party | Independents | Total Votes
Obama | 45,128,259 | 2,478,440 | 16,845,646 | 61,573,741
Romney | 3,433,672 | 38,415,818 | 18,717,384 | 59,611,642
All Others | 490,525 | 413,073 | 1,871,738 | 7,900,027
Party Totals | 49,052,456 | 41,307,331 | 37,434,769 | 129,085,410


And here's the 2016 exit poll calculations.

2016 Election | Democratic Party | Republican Party | Independents | Vote Totals
Clinton | 45,005,193 | 3,608,069 | 17,220,329 | 65,833,590
Trump | 4,045,411 | 39,688,758 | 18,860,360 | 62,594,528
All Others | 1,517,029 | 1,804,034 | 4,920,094 | 8,241,157
Party Totals | 50,567,632 | 45,100,861 | 41,000,783 | 136,669,276


2016 Exit Polls Cornell University
2012 Exit Polls Cornell University
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Strange... those figures seem to conflict with Wikipedia (Romney: ~61 million, Trump: ~63 million.)

Either way, when you're talking about total votes you're right: Trump did get more voters than Romney.

However, it should also be noted that Trump received 46% of the votes in 2012, while Romney got 47%. So by that measure, Romney beat Trump.

What this implies is not that "Trump was more popular than Romney", but that there were millions more citizens of the U.S. who were able to cast a ballot. I suspect that if both politicians were dealing with the same default population, Romney probably would have beaten Trump in total votes cast.
 
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