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The Infinite! In Search of The Ultimate Truth.

Einstein perhaps, simply and rightfully, did not want to designate a line between the Universe and the Infinite that lies beyond the Universe, and within it.

1) There is no "infinite" outside the universe. :p

2) Albert Einstein never thought there was an infinite outside of the universe. (You simply made that up):p

3) Your hilarious "infinity of infinities religion" is an incoherent collection of unrelated sentences, that you have been spamming on science and skeptic forums. Sometimes you claim you use calculus and other times you admit you don't even know what calculus is. :p
 
Your Infinite nonsense is just a restated God of the Gaps argument, where you've renamed the GotG as "Infinite".
You got it. Here is Tazanastazio's final "calculation" to his religion, that he posted on the Skeptic Society Forum in 2013.

Tazanastazio said:
GOD IS THE INFINITE AND THE INFINITE IS GOD (Anastasios Anastasopoulos)
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22197#p379351

Tazanastazio will spend a couple of months posting complete nonsense and then delete all his posts and start again. You can still see his earlier posts when he has been quoted in a reply. His earlier posts were more clearly Christian but went fully off the rails about ten years ago. He introduced nonsense science in his "radioactive Angels" phase. :)

Tazanastazio said:
1/3 of the Angels who rebelled against God and were cast out from heaven shows), they could of course evolve an altered image by means of misusing technology (radioactivity),
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22197#p379351
 
You got it. Here is Tazanastazio's final "calculation" to his religion, that he posted on the Skeptic Society Forum in 2013.


https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22197#p379351

Tazanastazio will spend a couple of months posting complete nonsense and then delete all his posts and start again. You can still see his earlier posts when he has been quoted in a reply. His earlier posts were more clearly Christian but went fully off the rails about ten years ago. He introduced nonsense science in his "radioactive Angels" phase. :)


https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22197#p379351

1) There is no "infinite" outside the universe. :p

2) Albert Einstein never thought there was an infinite outside of the universe. (You simply made that up):p

3) Your hilarious "infinity of infinities religion" is an incoherent collection of unrelated sentences, that you have been spamming on science and skeptic forums. Sometimes you claim you use calculus and other times you admit you don't even know what calculus is. :p

Matthew, you have started to sound like a desperate suitor, and repeat the same mistakes, over and over. Do you really have to win every argument and every debate? Save your breath, you are too far behind. Not because I am a better debater than you, it's not about that. You simply trying, desperately and futily, to dispute the self evident - the Infinite; which Einstein himself did not, simply because he recognized that the Universe MAY itself be infinite!

You keep on going on over and over on what I wrote 10 years ago, as a random supposition / hypothesis in response to an argument of yours; or what my philosophical views were 10 years ago. That was then, this is now. You expected a wooly sheep and you came face to face with a curly wolf and you cannot stomach it, and that's all there is to it.

Einstein referred to the Universe being infinite and then expressed his doubts about that. Should I have put the word "perhaps" in bold for you not to pretend that you missed it? Haven't I told you already that the word "hypothesis", which you claimed I didn't know what it meant, is actually from the greek word "Υπόθεση" which is the combined form of the greek words "Υπο-θεση" = "Sup-position" ,which two words correspond actually word for word with their English counterparts? Why then you keep on bringing it up, again and again?

I did not say "I used calculus" I said "calculus proves the Infinite." I said I "did the math." Nobody said that the math had to be complicated. I pointed out to you that you bragging about your extensive erudition in "Maths" still somehow don't understand, or refuse to admit, that calculus was invented to calculate the unapproachable, the infinite as far as we humans could ever calculate; case in the point INSTANTENEOUS VELOCITY.
 
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Matthew, you have started to sound like a desperate suitor,
No. You are posting on a skeptic forum where idiotic ideas are pulled apart by skeptics. You seem to be struggling with that concept as you keep coming back to be made fun of. :p

Not because I am a better debater than you,
No. You struggle to spell words, write complete sentences and you contradict your own claims. :p


You keep on going on over and over on what I wrote 10 years ago, as a random supposition
Why not. You claimed angels disguise themselves using radioactivity. Can't we laugh at all your claims? :p

Einstein referred to the Universe being infinite and then expressed his doubts about that.
Stop lying. Einstein's cosmological constant only defined a finite closed universe.


I did not say "I used calculus"
Liar. This is what you wrote....
"CALCULUS PROVES INFINITY, I SIMPLY APPLIED IT TO EXISTENCE, INTELLIGENCE, ENERGY AND MATTER NON OF WHICH COULD SPRING OUT OF AN ABSOLUTE NOTHING AND NOWHERE, AND FORM/EVOLVE FROM ANYWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN FROM WITHIN THE INFINITE."
Why do you lie so much? :p

....we humans could ever calculate; case in the point INSTANTENEOUS VELOCITY.
Learn to spell basic words. The word is "instantaneous."

Go post your "god crap" on a Christian forum. :p
 
Matthew, you have started to sound like a desperate suitor, and repeat the same mistakes, over and over. Do you really have to win every argument and every debate? Save your breath, you are too far behind. Not because I am a better debater than you, it's not about that. You simply trying, desperately and futily, to dispute the self evident - the Infinite; which Einstein himself did not, simply because he recognized that the Universe MAY itself be infinite!

You keep on going on over and over on what I wrote 10 years ago, as a random supposition / hypothesis in response to an argument of yours; or what my philosophical views were 10 years ago. That was then, this is now. You expected a wooly sheep and you came face to face with a curly wolf and you cannot stomach it, and that's all there is to it.

:dl:

No, mate. You are not any kind of wolf. Nor are you a better debater.

Pigeon chess, is what this is.

If you want a break from your sparring with Matthew Ellard, you could always try answering my points instead.
Or those made by other posters here.
This egotistical monomania is doing you no favours at all.
 
When I weigh in my mind,

Cause of the Universe out of "nothing" vs Cause of the Universe out of the Infinite,

I find no room for doubt in choosing the only sensible choice, in my opinion, between the two.

Einstein perhaps, simply and rightfully, did not want to designate a line between the Universe and the Infinite that lies beyond the Universe, and within it.

The fact that you are weighing anything in your mind is proof that you don't know what, if anything caused the universe to begin, if it did. If you knew isuch "weighing" would not be required.
 
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No, mate. You are not any kind of wolf. Nor are you a better debater.

Pigeon chess, is what this is.

If you want a break from your sparring with Matthew Ellard, you could always try answering my points instead.
Or those made by other posters here.
This egotistical monomania is doing you no favours at all.

I may have been raised as a Shepherd dog, but don't let that detail fool you, 'sides I wear a wolf collar around my neck, and wolves yourselfs you ain't. More like a bunch of coyotes, and for some of you that's a high praise.

This is no pigeon chess, it amounts to nothing more than a Mexican stand off, one against a dozen, but I got the brunt of it, I'm still standing and you are out of arguments. Whereas I still have plenty.

Now, if you are so kind, tell me which point of yours I dodged?
 
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No. You are posting on a skeptic forum where idiotic ideas are pulled apart by skeptics. You seem to be struggling with that concept as you keep coming back to be made fun of. :p

No. You struggle to spell words, write complete sentences and you contradict your own claims. :p


Why not. You claimed angels disguise themselves using radioactivity. Can't we laugh at all your claims? :p

Stop lying. Einstein's cosmological constant only defined a finite closed universe.


Liar. This is what you wrote.... Why do you lie so much? :p

Learn to spell basic words. The word is "instantaneous."

Go post your "god crap" on a Christian forum. :p


Matthew you calling me a liar is like a mule calling a rooster "Bighead." As far as what Einstein said, it is evident from his quotes. Like I said, folks don't know their science.

You criticize my spelling skills of such a "basic" word such as "instantaneous" whereas you try to pass as you do not understand the full definition of the word "apply" and you make yourself look like you are cognitively lacking. Not to mention I can write whatever I have written so far in these forums in two languages, being that I have graduated from a greek highschool in Greece (you? What have you written in any language other than mediocre to abnoxiously arrogant, banal and cliche criticism of the work of others?) Intelligence is compartamentalized, but usually in different sectors. As in you can be a genius in physics but trip when you try to dribble a soccer ball. But to have on and off intelligence within tbe same sector, as in your case, now that is a rarity; unless there is a medical/cognitive condition involved and/or if impaired by drugs or alcohol.

Infinitism in principle attempts to delve in any philosophical concept and answer every aspect of the human experience, without living any stone unturned, honestly and without fear of criticism, or harm of reputation whatsoever. To that end, when people claim that they had alien visitations or when it is written in the Bible that people had vision of Angels, I attempted to rationalize it, in the process of responding to an argument of yours. Thinking back then that the only possible means of traversing light years of distances would be if a vehicle would travel with the speed of light, which such trip beings could not survive, unless they managed to switch to light themselves and back on (do you detect the character of the phrase here - I mean you believe in multiple futures; and therefore, with holograms of ourselves in them)? Or unless the "beholders" were either on heavy medication or going through a period of strenuous fasting.

Quote from the original:

" Since we will never be able to travel light-speed, we will never be able to visit inhabited planets further into the galaxy and will never be visited by organic species from the depths of the galaxy, because these are impossible distances to traverse otherwise. Light-speed travelers would need to be able to perceive what is in front of them in time to avoid collisions. Given that they would be travelling in the same speed as light does, the rays of their spaceship's radars will be travelling towards their destination with the same speed. They would not be able to tell what lies ahead, in order to be able to react in time, to avoid colliding with objects appearing in front of them, even with the use of navigating systems operated by powerful computers. Even if they did manage to travel light-speed and did so only in "empty" space; as mentioned earlier, their spacecraft would be alight and destroyed to ash and dust due to friction alone, before they reached fractions of light speed. Do I need to get into the type of steering and break system they would need? And no, time would not be affected (since it does not actually exist) and the travelers would not travel in it. Neither the effect to their brains bouncing in their skulls, or to their other organs, would be any less detrimental because they travel light speed; nor would their blood and other body vessels fare any better, or their cells and the very molecules that comprise them. Because part of the problem is not just accelerating to light speed, making it through the friction and navigating among giant objects in space; it is also slowing down in time to avoid collision, and the whiplash and the other aforementioned effects to a living organism (not even any insects on board would perhaps make the trip). So no living breathing species could have ever possibly reached, or will ever possibly reach Earth; unless they were or will be able to navigate by other means than following the path of light (shortcuts of the universe), or they come from stars in close proximity, or unless they are other forms of energy + intelligence + matter combination. For one they shouldn't have to breath, drink, eat and move their bowels; no time to sleep from all that bouncing, the noise, and the heat from all that friction ( For comparison: Boeing 737 take off speed: 70 m/sec * Maximum allowed Boeing 737 cruise speed at 27,000: 252 m/sec * Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird max speed: 980 m/sec * automobile at 70 mph: 31 m/sec * Light Speed: 299,792,458 m/sec)."
 
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When I weigh in my mind,

Cause of the Universe out of "nothing" vs Cause of the Universe out of the Infinite,

I find no room for doubt in choosing the only sensible choice, in my opinion, between the two.

Einstein perhaps, simply and rightfully, did not want to designate a line between the Universe and the Infinite that lies beyond the Universe, and within it.[/COLOR]

Your logical fallacy is:

Argument from incredulity! Thanks for playing, don't forget to tip your server.

Misrepresenting Einstein isn't helping your credibility, either.
 
A question to the crew, not to the Op.

If Einstein and the others quoted here meant what taz says, would they be as respected as they are?
 
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(Hubristic posturing snipped)

I'm still standing and you are out of arguments. Whereas I still have plenty.

Now, if you are so kind, tell me which point of yours I dodged?


Basically, all of them.
Here you go:

No, it doesn't. 'I don't know' is the start of the journey, not the end. Admitting you don't know something, as well as a useful exercise in humility, helps to define the area in need of further research or exploration.



No, it wouldn't. It would lead us to consider other options, alternative explanations, different perspectives, plus again leading to the idea that one doesn't know everything.



Now you simply invent some numbers to make your already-settled conclusion look more like science. If you disagree, do please share how you arrived at these percentages.



And again you repeat your earlier error. You claim the universe must have a cause whilst maintaining that 'the Infinite' does not need one, without any justification at all.
Your appeal to 'reason' and 'a good bet' is just you stroking your own ego and trying to get us to go along with it.
Not going to happen, I'm afraid, at least not without more support that 'tazanastazio says so'.



I'm finding it hard to conceive of a scenario in which I might find myself having to make this choice in those circumstances, but, for the sake of argument, let's assume this has actually happened.
I would choose 'C', 'I don't know'.
The safe bet, for me, would be not to assume that I knew everything about everything, and stake my life on my egotism. I would rather admit my shortcomings, and accept the possibility that I might be wrong about something.

No, we don't. All you have done is to say that something must have caused the universe. You then posit this cause to be something you term 'The Infinite', which apparently doesn't need a cause.
If 'The Infinite' doesn't need a cause, then why does the universe need one?

On what basis do you assert that 'The Infinite' is caused by nothing?

Citation needed, because I don't think it does.



Becasue you say so.



Because you say so.



Because you say so.

(Snipped yet more bare assertions)



No. The above is you inventing something you call 'The Infinite', and then using all sorts of special pleading to make it do the things you want it to do, apparently in an attempt to appear superior to everyone else.
Trust me, it isn't working.
Try some kind of evidence. You could even try logic, which is often used as a last resort by the religious when it becomes apparent they haven't actually got any evidence for their claimed gods (and your 'Infinite' sounds suspiciously like a god).


Bare assertions, special pleading and some semantic tomfoolery.
Nothing more.
Do please give some thought as to how you would demonstrate the existence of this special thingy you have made up. I look forward to your presentation.
Kind of.

Off you go.
 
I may have been raised as a Shepherd dog, but don't let that detail fool you, 'sides I wear a wolf collar around my neck, and wolves yourselfs you ain't. More like a bunch of coyotes, and for some of you that's a high praise.

I think you might have missed your medication.
 
I think you might have missed your medication.

Last time I had any medication was a cough syrup a few years back, perhaps half aspirine as a child, here and there. I may have taken Tylenol once or twice 20 something years ago. I don't smoke and I never used any drugs whatsoever EVER, neither have I ever used prescribed mind/ mood affecting medication! Some beer and red wine on occasion.I've drunk a bit of hard liquor a time or two. YOU?

I forgot, I had an accident at work once, had to go through foot surgery and all. My foot had slit open like a banana underneath. I ended up with a scar, could have been much worse.They gave me some percocet to take home. After a few pills I chose to bite the bullet without it. I made due with some Ibuprofen, after all my left foot felt as if my blood wanted to burst through the ends of my blood vessels. I'm not bragging; you made a foolish, ignorant claim, and I'm responding.
 
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Your logical fallacy is:

Argument from incredulity! Thanks for playing, don't forget to tip your server.

Misrepresenting Einstein isn't helping your credibility, either.

Argument from logic/reason not incredulity.

I did not misrepresent Einstein I quoted him word for word, and madea hypothesis (I said "perhaps") on his insight (did you see any quotes on the clause that included the word "perhaps?").
 
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The fact that you are weighing anything in your mind is proof that you don't know what, if anything caused the universe to begin, if it did. If you knew isuch "weighing" would not be required.

To weigh all information presented regardless the source, is the surest way to make the best out of every situation.
 
Try some kind of evidence. You could even try logic, which is often used as a last resort by the religious when it becomes apparent they haven't actually got any evidence for their claimed gods (and your 'Infinite' sounds suspiciously like a god).

This the only argument that you've made for which I don't already refer explicitly in my original post. Duly noted, I will. Why do you bad mouth logic and reason? Isn't scientific exprimentation based on empirical evidence? Doesn't it take logic/reason to judge the quality of the evidence?

Next.
 
Matthew you calling me a liar is like a mule calling a rooster "Bighead."
Nope you are a 100% constant liar. You originally pretended you applied calculus to prove your "infinities of infinities religious" crap and then when challenged to show the mathematics, you then said you never made that claim.

tazanastazio two years ago said:
"CALCULUS PROVES INFINITY, I SIMPLY APPLIED IT TO EXISTENCE, INTELLIGENCE, ENERGY AND MATTER NON OF WHICH COULD SPRING OUT OF AN ABSOLUTE NOTHING AND NOWHERE, AND FORM/EVOLVE FROM ANYWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN FROM WITHIN THE INFINITE."
tazanastazio yesterday said:
I did not say "I used calculus"
:p

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You criticize my spelling skills of such a "basic" word such as "instantaneous"
Yes and all the other basic words you can't spell. Do I need to draw you a picture to understand this? :p

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Quote from the original (Infinities of infinities religious manifesto):
Here is your first version of your manifesto. Let us all have another jolly good laugh at you:
GOD IS THE INFINITE AND THE INFINITE IS GOD

God is the Infinite; the Infinite Intelligence, Matter and Energy (this idea is perhaps what the meanings of “Father”, “Son” and “Holy Spirit” may also symbolize). Any form of matter, is simply particles in a different formation and every situation is regarded as "negative or "positive" depending on its effect on the well being of the existence experiencing it.........as for example species with animal like and even monstrous features as portrayed in sci-fi works of fiction, would bear the question of whether those beings are part of a group of beings of an already higher level of existence, that chose directly or indirectly to separate itself from the Infinite God (by means of choosing to follow God’s directions and serve the purpose of their existence within the Infinite, or not, as the example in Genesis of the 1/3 of the Angels who rebelled against God and were cast out from heaven shows), they could of course evolve an altered image by means of misusing technology (radioactivity), if God had allow for their species to exist for that long of a time interval after He had sent them His messenger (every human level of existence would have received the messenger of God at a similar time interval within their evolution)
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22197#p379351

Your original manifesto was completely insane and you hinted you were Jesus :p
 

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