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The Infinite! In Search of The Ultimate Truth.

If we where to contemplate what is between "1" and a second "1", which makes a "2", we would realize that what we thought of as a segment, is an infinity in itself.

Soooo..... I have "1" proton and then another "1" proton....I now have "2" protons. I do not have an infinity of bits of other protons between my 2 protons, as per your ridiculous religion.

Your stupid "infinity religion" has no relationship to the real world. That is why you refuse to try write it down as a coherent hypothesis.:p
 
Soooo..... I have "1" proton and then another "1" proton....I now have "2" protons. I do not have an infinity of bits of other protons between my 2 protons, as per your ridiculous religion.

Your stupid "infinity religion" has no relationship to the real world. That is why you refuse to try write it down as a coherent hypothesis.:p

Hey. leave the prophet alone. Blessed are the infinite cheesemakers!
 
Hey. leave the prophet alone. Blessed are the infinite cheesemakers!
I deserve a medal. I have had to read his rubbish for 10 years. He has absolutely no idea about basic physics.

Here is his claim from 2009 on the Skeptic Society forum.

https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=11128&start=40

tazanastazio said:
Even if photons had a brain that kept them in formation, which you called spin if I understood correctly, they would still need a shot of energy to keep on traveling through space. Are you saying photons use their own energy to travel endlessly through space ( like billions of light years from one star to the other )?

He is still making this same claim today in this thread after ten years of people explaining basic physics to him.:)
 
Assuming that light does travel (deriving everlasting energy who knows from where); assuming that light is not instead passed along by particles;


Junior Scientist Website Q&A
Q: If you fire a laser in space, does it just keep on going as there is nothing to draw energy from it so it would dissipate? As for a projectile, isn't this also the case as there is no gravity or air friction to stop it like on Earth?
A: The light from a laser in space would continue on forever unless it hit something.


https://howthingsfly.si.edu/ask-an-...eep-going-there-nothing-draw-energy-it-so-it-

tazanastazio?
1) Do you know what a laser is? How does that work in your "infinity of infinities religion"?
:p

2) If we can see light from stars that are 5 billion light years from Earth, explain, using your "infinities of infinities religion", where the starlight is getting energy from? :p

3) Do you think big rocks fall faster than small rocks? :p
 
You got to read between the lines;

A) Something caused the cause of the universe - The Universe was formed from within the Infinite.
B) Nothing caused the cause of the universe - The cause of the Universe is the Infinite.
C) The universe doesn't have a cause - It always existed in one form or another, as a part of the Infinite.
D) The universe has a cause, but that cause doesn't have a cause - The cause of the Universe is the Infinite.
E) I don't know, but people far more intelligent than me are devoting their lives to finding out - Searching in vain, following a step by step infinite reversal, which simply points to the Infinite); the Infinite has no end, no beginning, no limits and no gaps.
F) I don't know, and nobody is doing anything to find out more - Because they realize they cannot follow a step by step infinite reversal, which simply would lead to the Infinite; the Infinite has no end, no beginning, no limits and no gaps.
G) All of the above - There are infinite possibilities within the Infinite, as to how the Universe could have come to be; the sure thing is, that the Universe somehow came to be out of the Infinite.

Now that you've added your input; and I, responding to your input, added mine; I'd go with G).

Well, of course you would. You've altered every single possibility to only allow for the one you want. That may fly in a New Age or woo forum, but it won't fly here.

Your Infinite nonsense is just a renstated God of the Gaps argument, where you've renamed the GotG as "Infinite".
 
I often think, "Why wasting my valuable time, arguing with these people when my point has already been MADE AND PROVEN and they KNOW it, but will never publicly admit it. Why does it matter?" On my part I admit that while my time is limited and valuable, some of these arguments are simply TOO RIDICULOUS TO IGNORE!

The qoute below from Einstein will do for now, in responding to Matthew Ellard's "mindbonglingly" ridiculous argument about "the two particles with nothing in between."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
 
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And Einstein never spoke a truer word. But possibly not for the reason that you think.
 
And Einstein never spoke a truer word. But possibly not for the reason that you think.

I'll let you figure out the details and what is "between the lines."

Quoting from the original post:

"If we were to make a distinction between the Universe and the Infinite, and we were to call the 'Universe', the outcome of the Big Bang occurrence (for a better word than eruption/explosion) and the expansion that was caused by it, then, the actual (not the visible) universe may or may not have a center. Also, it may be of any shape depending on the opposing forces of the fabric within the Infinite; which fabric in my opinion is comprised of, as far as we can measure, infinite minute particles. The border of the Universe would then be the border between the force of the Big Bang occurrence, and the force of the fabric within the Infinite, which would withstand the force of the Big Bang occurrence."
 
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I'll let you figure out the details and what is "between the lines."

Quoting from the original post:

If we were to make a distinction between the Universe and the Infinite, and we were to call the "Universe", the outcome of the Big Bang occurrence (for a better word than eruption/explosion) and the expansion that was caused by it, then; the actual (not the visible) universe may or may not have a center. Also, it may be of any shape depending on the opposing forces of the fabric within the Infinite; which fabric in my opinion is comprised of, as far as we can measure, infinite minute particles. The border of the Universe would then be the border between the force of the Big Bang occurrence, and the force of the fabric within the Infinite, which would withstand the force of the Big Bang occurrence.

The Big Bang was neither an eruption nor an explosion. If you persist in thinking about it in those terms you are doomed to misunderstanding.
 
1)The minimal increment assumption by Planck, which brought about his constant; and any constant for that matter (Avocado's constant, the term "mole." As if Ions, Atoms and Molecules were beans in a bag (so we could actually count them one by one); regardless the type, black, pinto, or cranberry; and country of origin; Hydrogen, Nitrogen or Oxygen: they all where ABOUT 6.022140857 × 10^23).

2) The term "potential energy" as if physicists could calculate how many bean soups I ate to climb on a ledge, with a rock of my back which I would later drop on a lever.

The above assumptions work because humanity duels on a planet and not in the microcosm.


Strange post. I get the impression of somebody floundering and grasping at straws, or beans maybe, to make a point.

You associate the term "potential energy" with bean soups. That's odd. Most associate "potential energy" with the idea of a mass at elevation, but any form of energy is potential in so far as being able to convert into another form. Bean soups would contain a considerable quantity of kilojoules but would not convert into much work when consumed by an animal. Animals not being very efficient machines.
 
Of course. Because you are unable to even define any lines at all.

Your argument relies on demanding things you are unwilling to extend to your interlocuters. That is a flat out dishonest position.

Defining lines even more vividly:

Whether the Universe is infinite or not depends on whether you distinguish a line between the outcome of the Big Bang expansion, and the "fabric" of the Infinite; which in my opinion, is comprised of infinitely minute, as far as we can measure, particles. The infinite points of opposing forces between the particles of the Big Bang expansion and the resisting forces of the Infinite would comprise the limits of the Universe; which Universe depending on its shape (outcome of opposing interacting forces) may have a center or not.

Einstein was correct to imagine that the Universe may be Infinite and doubt that concept at the same time; because whether the Universe is infinite or not, depends on from which perspective you see it.
 
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I often think, "Why wasting my valuable time, arguing with these people when my point has already been MADE AND PROVEN and they KNOW it, but will never publicly admit it. Why does it matter?" On my part I admit that while my time is limited and valuable, some of these arguments are simply TOO RIDICULOUS TO IGNORE!

The qoute below from Einstein will do for now, in responding to Matthew Ellard's "mindbonglingly" ridiculous argument about "the two particles with nothing in between."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

Why then does probability play any role in you figuring out if "we don't know" is the correct answer? If you're applying probability, it means you don't actually know. Probability only comes into play when there is doubt.
 
...... these people when my point has already been MADE AND PROVEN and they KNOW it, but will never publicly admit it.

Your hilarious "infinity of infinities religion" fell apart in its first application to the real world.

You say there is an infinite number of smaller possibilities between the written number "1" and the written number "2". However if I get two electrons in the real world, there are not an infinite number of smaller and smaller electrons between them, are there? :p

In fact you don't actually have a clue what goes on in the real world at all.
You think the Big Bang was an explosion.You think photons have to receive ongoing power to keep going in a vacuum.

You really need to go read a basic science book.
:p
 
Your hilarious "infinity of infinities religion" fell apart in its first application to the real world.

You say there is an infinite number of smaller possibilities between the written number "1" and the written number "2". However if I get two electrons in the real world, there are not an infinite number of smaller and smaller electrons between them, are there? :p

In fact you don't actually have a clue what goes on in the real world at all.
You think the Big Bang was an explosion.You think photons have to receive ongoing power to keep going in a vacuum.

You really need to go read a basic science book.
:p

Mathew, even though your objective all this time has been to dispute my arguments, debating with you, and others, along with answering questions, helped significantly in solidifying "Infinitism." Despite therefore of the objective in your efforts (futile in my opinion), namely to "debunk" my theories and philosophy in general; and as a moderator put it once the "Innocuous" characterizations of me, by mostly you and occasionally some of the other interlocutors (strongly "innocuous" in fact, to say the least), I am grateful for your and their time and effort. That is why I do not mind you or others having the last word, seeing that debating has achieved my objective; I am just waiting for it to be something, positive, or substantial or even sufficient enough in ending the conversation in a good note.

I know that you are a very learned and intelligent person, and while others can see it too, by scrolling up or searching your other blogs (in which, albeit you mostly harshly to severely harshly criticize other people's work, instead of you sharing your point of view, wisdom, imagination and knowledge in a positive; way as I have already mentioned to you on one occasion in the past, where you were ripping apart a poor lamb like a hungry wolf); some people that won't put the effort, or due to personal perspective may not be able to see through your debating tactics; they may actually think that you cannot tell the difference between say, the "real world" use of the word "time" and the statement that in the "unreal world" of the microcosm, and the macrocosm, and in actuality; time is an illusion of the effect of gravity - not even an emerging property.

Between a "1" and another "1" which make a "2", there are not "infinite possibilities", but infinite "1's" which make infinite "2's." Infinite segments, as far as we could ever measure, and within them, infinite more! The term "infinite possibilities" would apply for example in covering all the possibilities that would be required to have "infinite" futures in order to have as you still believe, a physical, dimensional time (which would imply replicated Infinites which is impossible and therefore a nullified concept.).

In the "real world", engineers, create photons with the same phase and frequency; which is perceived as a laser beam; what happens in the "quantum world," we would have to be able to see it from a particle perspective, to ever be able to be certain.

As I have already mentioned, in the "real world" the concept of time has been adopted along with other means to keep society organized and working like a clock. So I don't have all the time in a day or even a week to go on into circles responding to your arguments, some of which remind me of a lawyer addressing a jury comprised of retail clerks. They may work with them, but they are not worth it my time. I mean, you don't seriously believe that every time Hawking or Einstein referred to the term "God" they were preaching a religion, do you?

Hawking on God:

"Einstein was wrong when he said, 'God does not play dice'. Consideration of black holes suggests, not only that God does play dice, but that he sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen."

"Hubble's observations suggested that there was a time, called the big bang, when the universe was infinitesimally small and infinitely dense. Under such conditions all the laws of science, and therefore all ability to predict the future, would break down. If there were events earlier than this time, then they could not affect what happens at the present time. Their existence can be ignored because it would have no observational consequences. One may say that time had a beginning at the big bang, in the sense that earlier times simply would not be defined. It should be emphasized that this beginning in time is very different from those that had been considered previously. In an unchanging universe a beginning in time is something that has to be imposed by some being outside the universe; there is no physical necessity for a beginning. One can imagine that God created the universe at literally any time in the past. On the other hand, if the universe is expanding, there may be physical reasons why there had to be a beginning. One could still imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big bang, or even afterwards in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big bang, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big bang. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job!"

"God may exist, but science can explain the universe without the need for a creator."

"If we do discover a theory of everything… it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason — for then we would truly know the mind of God."

“God is the name people give to the reason we are here,” he said. “But I think that reason is the laws of physics rather than someone with whom one can have a personal relationship. An impersonal God.”

“What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”


Einstein on God:

"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man."

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."

"A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive."

"The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness."

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details."

"I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clock-maker. The human mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand dimensions are as one?"

"We know nothing about [God, the world] at all. All our knowledge is but the knowledge of schoolchildren. Possibly we shall know a little more than we do now. but the real nature of things, that we shall never know, never."

"Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres."

"What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos."

"In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views."


Matthew, you should never let ego come in the way of you being a quick learner! I have told you before to be careful not to "shoot yourself in the foot." When you go hunting, it does not take wisdom to know where to point a gun, before you pull the trigger; it takes common sense! After all, you only have two feet.

Folks don't know their science (/philosophy/religion).
 
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Mathew, even though your objective all this time has been to dispute my arguments,
You are posting on a skeptic forum, where skeptics apply skepticism to bad claims. What did you think was going to happen when you spammed your incoherent religious nonsense here? :p


...debating with you, and others, along with answering questions, helped significantly in solidifying "Infinitism."
Exactly the opposite happened. After ten years you still can't write down your BS claims as a coherent hypothesis. You still don't even know what a hypothesis is. :p


As I have already mentioned, in the "real world" the concept of time has been adopted along with other means to keep society organized and working like a clock.
All living things have internal methods of measuring time. Let's add biology to things your don't understand.

What is hilarious, is that after ten years of spamming your incoherent "Infinities of infinities religious manifesto" on science and skeptic forums you still haven't learned a thing. If anything you have become more incoherent.
 
Why then does probability play any role in you figuring out if "we don't know" is the correct answer? If you're applying probability, it means you don't actually know. Probability only comes into play when there is doubt.

When I weigh in my mind,

Cause of the Universe out of "nothing" vs Cause of the Universe out of the Infinite,

I find no room for doubt in choosing the only sensible choice, in my opinion, between the two.

Einstein perhaps, simply and rightfully, did not want to designate a line between the Universe and the Infinite that lies beyond the Universe, and within it.
 
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1)The minimal increment assumption by Planck, which brought about his constant; and any constant for that matter (Avocado's constant, the term "mole." As if Ions, Atoms and Molecules were beans in a bag (so we could actually count them one by one); regardless the type, black, pinto, or cranberry; and country of origin; Hydrogen, Nitrogen or Oxygen: they all where ABOUT 6.022140857 × 10^23).

2) The term "potential energy" as if physicists could calculate how many bean soups I ate to climb on a ledge, with a rock of my back which I would later drop on a lever.

The above assumptions work because humanity duels on a planet and not in the microcosm.

Is an avocado a bean?

Avocados Constant
 

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