The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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Foolmewunz said:
Imagine, as is painfully obvious, the Donnie understands nothing about China and politics. They aren't going quid pro quo in public. They might've made this deal in private but likely would've traded the release of the Chinese executive with a full apology (which Trump and the Canucks will never give) for dirt on Biden. Watch the China Daily. If they announce an investigation into Chinese businesses who've signed with family members of visiting dignitaries but with no specifics.... Then you're seeing 3D chess.

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>China pretends neutrality for home consumption and assures the US envoys that's what they're really doing, posing.
>China announces investigation into illegal concessions granted by Chinese companies/officials.
>Trump and Co. get hard nipples over the prospect of a sound byte condemning the Bidens.
>China asks for trade concessions which Mr. Negotiations doesn't grant.
>China releases records of all of Ivanka, Don Jr. and Eric's dubious deals, arrests the Chinese principals, and says, "There ya go! Be careful what you wish for, foreign devil."
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That is very close. So far, it seems Trump has mainly been playing bullies with China. Since the US is objectively the strongest on all accounts that matter, he has a good chance of "winning". But gods help him if he tries to play any level of chess with them.

Hans
 
Captain_Swoop said:
So Crooked Hillary Clinton can delete and acid wash 33,000 emails AFTER getting a Subpoena from the United States Congress, but I can’t make one totally appropriate telephone call to the President of Ukraine? Witch Hunt!
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It was a "perfect call" and now it's only "totally appropriate"? He's crumbling!
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The legacy of Trump will surely be more Oversight over the Executive and better Whistleblower protection laws.
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Please, please, please let these laws be named after Trump with some sort of backronym.

The Reporting of Unambiguous Malfeasance Procedures.


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Someone needs to popularize #HeIsNotABillionaire.

He does not have the ability to ignore it and
I want to see a China-Syndrome level meltdown.
 
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Aridas said:
I didn't, but honestly, I don't care as much about the specifics as the effects, so I'm more in the camp of "I don't care about that." I think that there's little chance of the more right-wing among the Democrats allowing that to actually happen, either way, and it does make a much better position to compromise from than starting at the furthest that one is reasonably willing to compromise to.



Warren and Bernie have been, of course, and working to focus the conversation on things that actually matter, like total costs and how efficient and effective it is. As for too many of the rest... I still don't see what good purpose there is long-term or even short-term, for Democrats to adopt misleading Republican framing and talking points.
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Yes, but not very effectively.
 
Ladewig said:
Please, please, please let these laws be named after Trump with some sort of backronym.

The Reporting of Unambiguous Malfeasance Procedures.


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Someone needs to popularize #HeIsNotABillionaire.

He does not have the ability to ignore it and
I want to see a China-Syndrome level meltdown.
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You mean where the Secret Service has to shoot him before he launches a nuclear weapon against Canada?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Where is the LameStream Media on this?

Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
BREAKING: The whistleblower is a registered Democrat & CIA analyst who was detailed before the 2016 election to the Obama White House, where he worked on the NSC's Ukraine desk & met w anti-Trump Ukrainian officials before being sent packing by the Trump NSC & becoming disgruntled
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Trump injects yet another false narrative into the mix.

Heard from a pundit on a newscast, Trump's common answer to being exposed: Drown the fish.

So true.
 
Minoosh said:
Does Trump realize he’s the one who is keeping impeachment headlines going? He’s retweeting like mad and repeating the same things over and over with seemingly few new angles. Thanks, Trump!
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Sure he does, but if he wasn't drowning the fish it might continue to grow behind closed doors.

That and Trump literally cannot stop himself.
 
varwoche said:
There are apparently two more whistleblowers still in the shadows:

(1) Ukraine phone call, a person with more direct knowledge than whistleblower #1, cited by whistleblower #1.

(2) An IRS employee concerning...?
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I believe the IRS complaint was about Trump trying to influence his tax audit.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I’d argue against using a phrase that Trump himself created!
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Did I say repeat Trump's phrases?

No.

I said: On the other hand, don't be sidetracked with the bull-****-shiny-squirrel of taxes going up. The Democrats should be marketing (prime the pump) where those taxes are coming from: your current health care costs, and the rich contributing more of their fair share.

I have also posted numerous times the Democrats need to hire some expertise in marketing. They seem to always go it alone or if they are using internal expertise, they need to step up their game.
 
Minoosh said:
I believe that unfortunately the Patriot Act gives DHS broad powers to waive (ie break) many laws if national security is at stake. I don’t even think he’s building his “wall” in areas that are particularly in need of increased physical barriers. Just maybe where it’s easiest.
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Given the utterly absurdity to which Trump's been willing to stretch "national security" to supposedly cover, I'm really not going to give him a pass there. That the Republicans have *refused* to hit back at such brazen absurdity does not make it any more acceptable.

Skeptic Ginger said:
Yes, but not very effectively.
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There's only so much that a person can do by themselves, after all... which gets to some of the more foundational problems with the current state of things.
 
Aridas said:
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There's only so much that a person can do by themselves, after all... which gets to some of the more foundational problems with the current state of things.
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Ever ask yourself why the GOP is so successful at marketing their candidates?

Hint: the excuse about messages being to complex doesn't hold water.
 
The Trump Presidency outperformed the Obama Presidency. Trump is not perfect but he did not give in excess of 100 million dollars to Iran. How Obama was elected to two terms in office will mystify me till the day I die. I certainly never voted for him.
 
Cainkane1 said:
The Trump Presidency outperformed the Obama Presidency. Trump is not perfect but he did not give in excess of 100 million dollars to Iran. How Obama was elected to two terms in office will mystify me till the day I die. I certainly never voted for him.
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And neither did Obama. And why do you care about money going to Iran when much more goes to Iraq and Afghanistan?

And how exactly has the Trump administration outperformed the Obama administration? What criteria did you use to come to that conclusion?

Seriously, how did you come to that conclusion?
 
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