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Man shot, killed by off-duty Dallas police officer who walked into wrong apartment p3

plague311 said:
My googlefu was weak. I stand corrected.
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The media has been focusing on how the murderer was treated. But she is not the primary victim here. Or the secondary or tertiary. The focus of compassion should be squarely on Jean's family, both from court officials and the media.
 
plague311 said:
I'm not overly bothered by the judge's behavior. You can believe someone's guilty and still feel sorry for the fact that they ****** their lives up.

A lot of excuses are made with just the word "Texas", but that's where this took place. Having watched the bulk of the trial I truly believe that the judge held the trial according to the law. Her going up and hugging the defendant just makes an appeal harder to justify. If anything this act would mean the prosecution got the short end of the stick, which I don't believe at all.

The judge can preside properly over a trial and still show pity in my opinion.
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Except that it wasn't an isolated incident where she messed up her life. More an inevitability given what came out after conviction.


https://people.com/crime/texas-cop-murdered-black-man-admits-racist-text-messages/

After convicting Amber Guyger of the murder of Botham Jean, Texas jurors were presented with racist and violent text and social media messages composed by the former Dallas police officer before the fatal shooting.
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In addition to this, she had previously shot someone - possibly with justification, but other cops at the scene hadn't, which at least suggested that she was gung-ho but combined with what she'd written, presumably after already killing someone, shows murder was definitely the correct verdict.
 
Thermal said:
The media has been focusing on how the murderer was treated. But she is not the primary victim here. Or the secondary or tertiary. The focus of compassion should be squarely on Jean's family, both from court officials and the media.
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It should be noted that the brother of the victim also hugged Amber and said he forgives her.
 
quadraginta said:
Along with noting that the brother was not the judge who presided over the trial.
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It's a longstanding principle of American jurisprudence that sitting judges are allowed to have personal feelings, and express personal opinions, about the cases over which they preside.

If even the brother of the victim can find in their heart compassion for the person who killed his sibling, why should we find it so strange or objectionable, that the judge was able to do the same?
 
theprestige said:
It's a longstanding principle of American jurisprudence that sitting judges are allowed to have personal feelings, and express personal opinions, about the cases over which they preside.

If even the brother of the victim can find in their heart compassion for the person who killed his sibling, why should we find it so strange or objectionable, that the judge was able to do the same?
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I didn't mean to suggest that I did. Just that comparisons with the judge and a sibling of the victim are not exactly on an even plane.
 
quadraginta said:
I didn't mean to suggest that I did. Just that comparisons with the judge and a sibling of the victim are not exactly on an even plane.
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Comparisons usually aren't. A good comparison generally identifies both differences and similarities between the things being compared.

And I think in this case, the lack of similarity between the judge and the brother is the point of the comparison. The brother has far more reason than the judge to harden their heart towards Guyger, and show no compassion at all. And yet even he is able to do so. If he can do it, why not the judge?

It's the very unevenness of the two that makes the comparison useful for evaluating the judge's behavior.
 
theprestige said:
Comparisons usually aren't. A good comparison generally identifies both differences and similarities between the things being compared.

And I think in this case, the lack of similarity between the judge and the brother is the point of the comparison. The brother has far more reason than the judge to harden their heart towards Guyger, and show no compassion at all. And yet even he is able to do so. If he can do it, why not the judge?

It's the very unevenness of the two that makes the comparison useful for evaluating the judge's behavior.
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I wonder how many convicted murderers the judge normally hugs and gives gifts to?
 
theprestige said:
Presumably all the ones he feels sufficient compassion for. What's your problem, exactly?
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I got 99 problems, but a judge handing comfort and consolation prizes to a former cop (who obscenely was not arrested on the spot when she murdered him) and treating her executing ass like a wronged party in front of the survivors ain't one.
 
acbytesla said:
It should be noted that the brother of the victim also hugged Amber and said he forgives her.
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This could be true, but my recollection of the articles is that the brother hugged her and told her that he loves her. I don't recall articles saying that he also told her that he forgives her. This could be true but I'm wondering if you have a citation.
 
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