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Man shot, killed by off-duty Dallas police officer who walked into wrong apartment p3

theprestige said:
I admit that I haven't seen any stats on LEO firearms accuracy. It seems like some actual stats would probably resolve this dispute pretty quick. Which sources do you like? Maybe we can use those.
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The stats have been posted before on some other thread and the hit ratio was remarkably low.
 
I can't say that I am satisfied with the sentence. Yet, I'm not sure what would work in my mind.

It bothers me that she will be eligible for parole in 5 years. She will be in her 30's, with plenty of life left to start over. No such chance for her victim.

No, I didn't want or expect her to receive the maximum sentence. I guess I just can't figure out what Justice would look like in this case. A cop - a documented racist - shooting a black man in his own home when she had other options!!!? Where is the balance? I can't find it.

The emotionally charged hugging of her by the victim's brother said a lot about him. Her, not so much.
 
Judge under fire for hugging killer cop Amber Guyger after murder conviction

New York Post said:
The judge who presided over the trial of Dallas cop Amber Guyger is under fire for hugging the killer who was sentenced to prison for fatally shooting her unarmed black neighbor.

Following the sentencing on Thursday, Dallas County Judge Tammy Kemp walked over to Guyger on the bench and handed her a bible.

“You can have mine. I have three or four at home,” Kemp was heard telling the 31-year-old fired police officer, according to news station WFAA...

...Kemp appeared to console Guyger when she read the bible passage John 3:16 which states, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

“You just need a tiny mustard seed of faith. You start with this,” the judge said, according to the report. Guyger then hugged Kemp in a long embrace before the convicted felon was escorted out of the courtroom to begin her 10-year sentence.

“You haven’t done so much that you can’t be forgiven,” the judge told her. “You did something bad in one moment in time. What you do now matters.”

But some criticized Kemp over the act of mercy in the courtroom.

“A judge must be impartial. Tammy Kemp has undermined her credibility,” tweeted SiriusXM host Joe Madison. Another user tweeted that Kemp was “completely out of line.”...
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https://nypost.com/2019/10/03/judge...ller-cop-amber-guyger-after-murder-conviction
 
ponderingturtle said:
Hell firefighters work 24 on and 48 off, and can work double shifts.
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Amber Guyger destroyed her sleepy and tired argument by admitting she was planning to go to a gym to workout at about 10.30 that very night. The gym was several minutes drive from South Side Flats.
 
William Parcher said:
Judge under fire for hugging killer cop Amber Guyger after murder conviction







https://nypost.com/2019/10/03/judge...ller-cop-amber-guyger-after-murder-conviction
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It sounds to me as if she is a religious extremist (from a UK perspective) and used Guygers emotional upset to try and convert her, albeit from the judge's perspective she was only trying to help and I don't criticize for trying to help, just the manner she choose to use.

But really not appropriate behaviour from a judge at the end of a trial.
 
I'm not overly bothered by the judge's behavior. You can believe someone's guilty and still feel sorry for the fact that they ****** their lives up.

A lot of excuses are made with just the word "Texas", but that's where this took place. Having watched the bulk of the trial I truly believe that the judge held the trial according to the law. Her going up and hugging the defendant just makes an appeal harder to justify. If anything this act would mean the prosecution got the short end of the stick, which I don't believe at all.

The judge can preside properly over a trial and still show pity in my opinion.
 
SpitfireIX said:
As I said, I'd hoped for more, but it could have been much worse. They could have given her as little as two years if they'd allowed the "sudden passion" (which includes fear) defense. Also, the good news is she'll have to serve at least five years, and ex-cops always have it rough in prison. Also she'll never be able to be a cop or touch a gun again.
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I don’t like the fact that she will likely be targeted in prison; prison is the punishment, not extra-judicial violence.

It’s also good that she won’t be able to own a gun legally, but the idea that she can’t buy one is laughable in the US.
 
Darat said:
It sounds to me as if she is a religious extremist (from a UK perspective) and used Guygers emotional upset to try and convert her...
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Guyger may already be religious and have her own bible and so there would be nothing to "convert". From a purely statistical perspective, Guyger is more likely to be religious than not.

The printed complaints (backlash) aren't specific about the bible giveaway being a special problem. The same backlash might have occurred if only a hug was given.
 
It does look a little weird when it's paired with the deputy brushing and stroking her hair, now this judge is giving her a hug and a bible. Seems to be a lot of preferential treatment for someone convicted of murdering a man.

I didn't see anyone approach Jean's family at all. That's the part that should be the focus. This killer gets more attention than the family who lost someone important to them and by all accounts a generally good man. Meanwhile this bitch, racist texts and all, gets more love from the courts.

Now that I think about it, that is kind of ****** up.
 
plague311 said:
It does look a little weird when it's paired with the deputy brushing and stroking her hair, now this judge is giving her a hug and a bible. Seems to be a lot of preferential treatment for someone convicted of murdering a man.

I didn't see anyone approach Jean's family at all. That's the part that should be the focus. This killer gets more attention than the family who lost someone important to them and by all accounts a generally good man. Meanwhile this bitch, racist texts and all, gets more love from the courts.

Now that I think about it, that is kind of ****** up.
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Yeah, how about that.
 
plague311 said:
It does look a little weird when it's paired with the deputy brushing and stroking her hair, now this judge is giving her a hug and a bible. Seems to be a lot of preferential treatment for someone convicted of murdering a man.

I didn't see anyone approach Jean's family at all. That's the part that should be the focus. This killer gets more attention than the family who lost someone important to them and by all accounts a generally good man. Meanwhile this bitch, racist texts and all, gets more love from the courts.

Now that I think about it, that is kind of ****** up.
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And love from his brother. Maybe the judge took her cue from him.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/botham-jean-brother-amber-guyger-hug/index.html
 
plague311 said:
Now that I think about it, that is kind of ****** up.
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It's a Christian religious thing. Jesus forgives. We know that the judge and the Jean family walk with Jesus. It is also likely true for that female court sheriff hair stroker. From a perspective, Guyger is the only one in that courtroom who is a sudden candidate for Jesus' forgiveness.
 
plague311 said:
This killer gets more attention than the family who lost someone important to them and by all accounts a generally good man. Meanwhile this bitch, racist texts and all, gets more love from the courts.
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And from the victim's brother who also hugged her. This isn't all that ****** up. Obviously people can disagree on the degree to which we should have sympathy for what Guyger has done to her own life but having some sympathy for her is not a problem. I certainly have some for her.
 
Disbelief said:
And love from his brother. Maybe the judge took her cue from him.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/botham-jean-brother-amber-guyger-hug/index.html
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RecoveringYuppy said:
And from the victim's brother who also hugged her. This isn't all that ****** up. Obviously people can disagree on the degree to which we should have sympathy for what Guyger has done to her own life but having some sympathy for her is not a problem. I certainly have some for her.
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I have no issues THAT she is getting sympathy. I have issues with her, apparently, getting more sympathy than what is given to the family of the deceased.

Even if the Judge is taking her cue from the man's brother, I would think that words should be expressed to the family first. Doing some google searches, I can't find anyone expressing that same kindness to Jean's family at all. It just struck me as strange is all.
 
'Poor, suffering Amber. She has been through so much.'

'Um, this family over here had their son, brother and all needlessly murdered by this woman?'

'Yeah, **** them.'
 
Mumbles said:
"Fair", in terms of the sentences many others have received for drug use, killing a police dog, and the like. I think I've made my overall view of the US justice system clear in many other threads - suffice it to say it needs drastic reform at every point.
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"Fair" in relation to other draconian sentences it's not. Judged against those sentences it should have been a lot more. But the answer is not dishing out lengthy sentences to whites to even things up. It's not to hand them out to anyone.

My point has been that people mistakenly believe such lengthy sentences are right. (Notice I didn't say fair) But nothing is fair in these circumstances. A ten year sentence is only slightly a deterrence to longer sentences and in this situation none at all.
 
Thermal said:
'Poor, suffering Amber. She has been through so much.'

'Um, this family over here had their son, brother and all needlessly murdered by this woman?'

'Yeah, **** them.'
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"This poor woman's life is over" *stroking Guygers' hair*

"Uuhhhmmm, if you want to talk about a life being over"

"Ssshhh, too soon."
 
theprestige said:
I admit that I haven't seen any stats on LEO firearms accuracy. It seems like some actual stats would probably resolve this dispute pretty quick. Which sources do you like? Maybe we can use those.
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There are plenty of sources. They generally seem to agree. If you haven't seen any that is no fault of mine.

This has been discussed on this board before. The research is trivial, a few key words into a Google search.

Knock yourself out. If you find something that radically disagrees with my interpretation then feel free to let me know.
 
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