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House Impeachment Inquiry

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The Great Zaganza said:
Does he?
Trump is paranoid, after all. And Republicans will have to decide what will do more damage:.to themselves: being primaried or losing the election. Trump can't campaign against all defectors at the same time.
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You underestimate the power of high quality amphetamines. And fried chicken.
 
psionl0 said:
Why all this talk about the Senate? The house hasn't voted to impeach yet and from all appearances, it won't for some time. This is mostly about keeping Trump's impeachable offences in the front pages until well into the 2020 election in the hopes of draining votes away from Trump.

Once it gets into the Senate, it will become a Republican controlled agenda - unless the Dems manage to regain control at the next election. All the more reason to delay an actual impeachment vote until after the elections.
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Pelosi is pushing for impeachment by Thanksgiving. It seems pretty clear which way the house will vote, so the Senate will be the interesting part.
 
Marcus said:
Pelosi is pushing for impeachment by Thanksgiving. It seems pretty clear which way the house will vote, so the Senate will be the interesting part.
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If she is pushing for the whole thing to be handed to the Senate a year before the elections then Pelosi is an idiot.
 
Bouncing off of my assumption that Trump probably knows who the Whistleblower is by simple process of elimination, I wonder how long before he "leaks" it with a vague, backhanded "It would just be super if someone was to do something about this guy, totally not saying it should happen *wink wink*" threat to it.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Bouncing off of my assumption that Trump probably knows who the Whistleblower is by simple process of elimination, I wonder how long before he "leaks" with a vague, backhanded "It would just be super if someone was to do something about this guy, totally not saying it should happen *wink wink" threat to it.
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"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"
Henry II
 
Pelosi's not stupid. She knows there's no chance of a conviction in the Senate and she knows that trying to drag it out all the way to the point it's fresh in people's minds for the election is impossible and risky. Given those two variables getting it done fast makes the most sense.
 
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psionl0 said:
If she is pushing for the whole thing to be handed to the Senate a year before the elections then Pelosi is an idiot.
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In that case, Mitch has two options: either get it over with as quickly as possible, or shelve it.
Both are problematic for him: either the Republicans go on record supporting impeachable offenses, or they look too scared to face the issue.
Both will make it easy for Democarts to campaign against them.
The only one who might profit is Trump - the GOP will get hurt either way.
 
psionl0 said:
If she is pushing for the whole thing to be handed to the Senate a year before the elections then Pelosi is an idiot.
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I'm not sure that's right. There's a real danger in dragging it out. For starters, the more it drags on the more it seems as if it's entirely for political gain. Also, it gives Republicans no wiggle room. The longer it goes on the less options the GOP has. Now at first glance that sounds good. But I think you want enough time were Republicans can vote to impeach and nominate someone else in 2020.

But then again, you may be right.
 
varwoche said:
Except she's not. She's a brilliant political operative. A downright stable genius.
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Everything Nancy Pelosi has done, since roughly 1981, has been precision-engineered by Nancy Pelosi, for the sole purpose of putting Nancy Pelosi where she is today. You think she's going to jeopardize all of that over Donald Trump? I don't.
 
Pelosi is of course the professional, but I still feel free to speculate that she messed up the timing on this one. Both House and Senate votes will have time to fade into memory before the election. But perhaps, as Belz says, she really is hiding the smoking gun that will convince Republicans to vote against him.
 
theprestige said:
Everything Nancy Pelosi has done, since roughly 1981, has been precision-engineered by Nancy Pelosi, for the sole purpose of putting Nancy Pelosi where she is today. You think she's going to jeopardize all of that over Donald Trump? I don't.
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Absolutely! What do you believe she is jeopardizing? You forget, she won't be Speaker in 2021. She agreed she would step down from her post as Speaker. Pelosi is 79 years old and will turn 81 a couple of months into the next term.
 
Marcus said:
Pelosi is of course the professional, but I still feel free to speculate that she messed up the timing on this one. Both House and Senate votes will have time to fade into memory before the election. But perhaps, as Belz says, she really is hiding the smoking gun that will convince Republicans to vote against him.
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Insane though the notion seems, perhaps the Democrats genuinely believe this Ukraine business is seriously bad in itself and the perpetrator should be removed ASAP before he can commit even more enormities, rather than wait around for strategic advantage in an election a year away? Is that within the realm of possibility?
 
Pelosi had the wisdom to be patient, knowing that with Trump, the prefect case for impeachment would come along.
And it did.
It was inevitable with Trump.

I thought she was playing it too safe, but she was just playing the long game. If she can get an Impeachment Vote before Christmas, that would be ideal.
 
acbytesla said:
Absolutely! What do you believe she is jeopardizing? You forget, she won't be Speaker in 2021. She agreed she would step down from her post as Speaker. Pelosi is 79 years old and will turn 81 a couple of months into the next term.
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I don't believe she's jeopardizing anything. I believe she's playing the same savvy game of "advance Nancy Pelosi's political career" that she's been playing for most of her adult life. If she's stepping down in 2021, she's doing it because it's part of her plan. The plan she's not going to jeopardize for Donald Trump.

That said, I suspect that her decision to pursue impeachment is motivated not by some savvy calculation that now is the time, but rather a groundswell of demand from her fellow Democrats that she can no longer resist without jeopardizing her plan.

"The die is cast" is, I think, an expression of resignation on her part. To me it suggests that she thinks it's probably not going to work, but they've gone too far to turn back now. She's spent the past few months trying very hard not to cross the Rubicon. But now that the crossing has been made, she recognizes that the only way out is forward and through, and make the best of it.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
In that case, Mitch has two options: either get it over with as quickly as possible, or shelve it.
Both are problematic for him: either the Republicans go on record supporting impeachable offenses, or they look too scared to face the issue.
Both will make it easy for Democarts to campaign against them.
The only one who might profit is Trump - the GOP will get hurt either way.
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Senate impeachment rules would make it rather difficult for Mitch to avoid a trial once the House has voted for impeachment. But those rules also permit the Senate to overrule the Chief Justice. Mitch is likely to use that power to limit the scope and duration of the trial.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Insane though the notion seems, perhaps the Democrats genuinely believe this Ukraine business is seriously bad in itself and the perpetrator should be removed ASAP before he can commit even more enormities, rather than wait around for strategic advantage in an election a year away? Is that within the realm of possibility?
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Possible, but not likely. Perhaps she is rolling the dice, though, if impeachment doesn't work, she can go to Plan B to win the next election.
 
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