Stacyhs
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I've seen nothing to make me think otherwise if past history is any indicator.
House Impeachment Inquiry
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I've seen nothing to make me think otherwise if past history is any indicator.
Puppycow
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He's done that before though, openly, and his supporters don't seem to mind.
I refer to "Russia, if you're listening, please find Hillary Clinton's missing emails."
This is "Ukraine, please find dirt on Joe Biden and his son."
The question here seems to be not whether he did it. He did. It's whether people think it's an impeachable offense or something they can condone.
I wonder how many of those who are against impeachment oppose it because they're deathly afraid Trump will survive and use that to win another term. No sitting president has ever been succesfully impeached and the last time it was tried it backfired on the party pushing for impeachment.
I posit the number is nonzero and may be sufficiently large to be relevant.
McHrozni
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Well, we're still hearing that from pro-Dem pundits, so it's definitely greater than zero. The article actually mentions that this is early days. Most people polled hadn't had a chance to read the whistleblower's report - the poll was taken Wednesday night.
I think you'll see shifting in those numbers. The first thing to watch for is Trump's fervid support poll at Rasmussen. He went from Approve +6 to Approve +5 on the first day this was starting to break. The next day he's dropped to "Tie".
Of course, approval polls aren't everything, but they could give an indication that he's devotees aren't going to have quite so willing a bunch of stooges in the hustings.
This. Even if they personally like Trump, and they think he is the greatest president there ever will be, if they consider him a liability in their reelection or election they will turn on him in a heartbeat.
Problem of course is that Trump is not such a liability.
That's true, however Trumpistanis will support the Dear LeaderTM to their graves and beyond. GOP has no stronger base of support and no way to replace those votes with anything. If they made the switch today no one would believe them come next November - it's too soon. Yet Trumpistanis would reject them in an instant.
Therefore I expect them to stick by Trump for at least another year.
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psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
Why all this talk about the Senate? The house hasn't voted to impeach yet and from all appearances, it won't for some time. This is mostly about keeping Trump's impeachable offences in the front pages until well into the 2020 election in the hopes of draining votes away from Trump.
Once it gets into the Senate, it will become a Republican controlled agenda - unless the Dems manage to regain control at the next election. All the more reason to delay an actual impeachment vote until after the elections.
The Great Zaganza
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Democrats could delay Impeachment ... but only if there was some judicial mechanism in place safeguard the 2020 elections from Trump.
I don't see that as a possibility.
I don't see that as a possibility.
quadraginta
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Having it broadcast on Faux News would only convince his supporters it must be legitimate and okay.
After all, they wouldn't broadcast it if it wasn't.
psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
I don't understand what you mean. Even if the house impeaches, it won't disqualify Trump from running again. Only a Senate trial can do that.
The obvious intent is that the constant publicity should cause Trump to lose the next election.
The Great Zaganza
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The Ukraine deal is about election meddling - if you let this stand even if just until after the elections, Trump will do more of the kind.
If he gets impeached because of it, there will be a lot fewer collaborators willing to help him do more of the same.
Delvo
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If it were all going to happen now, and probably in the next few weeks at least, I believe the result would be Trump out of office. The only question is whether Pelosi can succeed in her quest to protect him by delaying & bogging it down long enough for the current mood to fade into "if it were important they'd just do it so this must all just be for show".
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Belz...
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I'm not sure standing by while the man destroys the presidency and damages US democratic institutions is going to be a winner in the elections, either.
For a person who supposedly been "double dog daring" the Dems to impeach him, Trump is apparently pissing his pants behind the scenes. He desperately tried to cut a deal with Pelosi the other day. The unstable ignoramus thought that releasing the pseudo-transcript would put everything to rest. link
Belz...
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Maybe but I have the impression that partisanship is a bigger issue now than then.
Belz...
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What are you chattering about?
psionl0
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Why would Trump fear what the House will do? He knows that the Senate won't go along with it.
The Great Zaganza
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Does he?
Trump is paranoid, after all. And Republicans will have to decide what will do more damage:.to themselves: being primaried or losing the election. Trump can't campaign against all defectors at the same time.
It's not in the interest of criminals and grifters to be placed under the microscope.
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