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Man shot, killed by off-duty Dallas police officer who walked into wrong apartment p3

Man, Drew saying that made me realize how awesome my mom was. I never got shot once for not picking up my clothes.
 
plague311 said:
Man, Drew saying that made me realize how awesome my mom was. I never got shot once for not picking up my clothes.
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Bob001 said:
And she probably only had to point a gun at you a couple times, right?
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plague311 said:
It's like you've met her before.
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My kid finally picked up all her clothes from the floors of her rooms last night and did 3 loads of laundry. Good thing I didn't have to use a gun coz I don't own one.
 
Final update since the trial won't continue until tomorrow. This is per the link I've cited a few times, so I'm not taking any credit:

1:28 P.M. CT - FRANK HEINZ
The state rested their case.
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2:03 P.M. CT - FRANK HEINZ
Defense began by asking the judge to render a direct verdict of not guilty on the murder charge, saying the state did not prove each element of the indictment and that Guyger did not knowingly and intentionally cause Botham Jean's death.
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2:04 P.M. CT - FRANK HEINZ
The defense continued with their motion, saying if the direct verdict was granted, they wanted a direct verdict on manslaughter and criminal negligence, claiming the state had not proven any of the offenses.
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2:05 P.M. CT - FRANK HEINZ
Judge Kemp denied all three of the defense's motions and ordered the court into recess until 8:30 a.m. Friday to allow the defense more time to prepare. Kemp said she wasn't sure the defense knew the state would rest their case today. The defense will be expected to call their first witness Friday morning at 8:30 a.m.
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The trial is going to go on Saturday as well. It appears, if I'm reading this right, that the defense is a bit on edge, or they're just trying anything and everything, which is their job I guess.

ETA: I wasn't familiar so for those that aren't as well:

A directed verdict is a ruling entered by a trial judge after determining that there is no legally sufficient evidentiary basis for a reasonable jury to reach a different conclusion. The trial court may grant a directed verdict either sua sponte or upon a motion by either party.
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plague311 said:
Final update since the trial won't continue until tomorrow. This is per the link I've cited a few times, so I'm not taking any credit:

1:28 P.M. CT - FRANK HEINZ
The state rested their case.
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2:03 P.M. CT - FRANK HEINZ
Defense began by asking the judge to render a direct verdict of not guilty on the murder charge, saying the state did not prove each element of the indictment and that Guyger did not knowingly and intentionally cause Botham Jean's death.
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2:04 P.M. CT - FRANK HEINZ
The defense continued with their motion, saying if the direct verdict was granted, they wanted a direct verdict on manslaughter and criminal negligence, claiming the state had not proven any of the offenses.
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The highlighted sort of suggests that verdicts for lesser charges may be available to the jury.
 
plague311 said:
Final update since the trial won't continue until tomorrow. This is per the link I've cited a few times, so I'm not taking any credit:









The trial is going to go on Saturday as well. It appears, if I'm reading this right, that the defense is a bit on edge, or they're just trying anything and everything, which is their job I guess.

ETA: I wasn't familiar so for those that aren't as well:
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Asking for a direct verdict is pretty much SOP anymore.
 
Bob001 said:
Forget the lighting. Did she even have a 50-inch TV at that spot in her unit?
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How can one forget the lighting if she claimed the apartment was dark? I have a 50 inch tv and when it is on I do not need to put on the living rooms lights to see furniture and equipment in the room.


In fact, the position of the 50 inch tv in Botham's living room, when on, would give very good lighting to see the back wall and lay out of the furniture when standing at the front door.
Amber Guyger should have immediately recognised that Botham's living room was not hers especially if she had time to talk to him and observe his movement.

It would appear to me that Amber Guyger would be lying if she claimed the room was dark now we know the 50 inch tv was on.
 
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William Parcher said:
I believe that this screenshot is from bodycam. It shows the ottoman right in front of the couch where it would be expected, and the bowl is right there. We also see other differences from the pre-trial videos from Inside Edition and CNN. The pre-trial press footage also shows a huge pile of clothes on the couch which must have been put there by investigators or family after the incident.

I got this screenshot from the CBS video here: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amber-...officer-acted-reasonably-in-shooting-neighbor
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Thanks. The ottoman looked like a table in the bodycam video. It was in a different position in the pre-trial video we saw.

So my theory that Jean was setting down the bowl was wrong.
 
plague311 said:
Which has also pretty much been blown out of the water. She was making plans on her phone for later in the evening, and I assure you they weren't to go to bed. Though the bed would be in use.
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Do you think Officer Rivera was lying when he said the text messages were flirting and not plans to meet up? That he had never been to her apartment? That they had not had sex in a long time?
 
Bob001 said:
I'd like to know where the light switch is. I have never lived in a place that didn't have a light switch just inside the entrance. If most people thought something wasn't right as they entered their home, they would either back out or flip on the lights. Pulling a gun and opening fire is not -- usually -- the default action.
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The bodycam video shows that when you are going into the apartment the door handle is on the right. The door opens to the left. Inside, on the right is a wall. It appears the light switch in on that wall immediately inside the door at about the level of the door handle.

I find it odd that she did not turn on the light. She had her vest in her right hand. She presumably put her key in the lock with her right hand. The door began to swing open. She left the keys in the lock.

If the door is open, a person would think that something is wrong. Maybe there is someone in the apartment. I would think the natural reaction would be to push the door open with the left arm while turning on the lights with the right. You want to see what is going on when you open that door.
 
a_unique_person said:
Most of us don't start the day thinking that we are going to totally **** it up and kill someone.
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Because, and follow me here, most of us don't wind up killing people sitting at home in their own apartments eating ice cream.

"Put yourself in their shoes" can't work when I literally can't imagine myself in their shoes.
 
a_unique_person said:
I do feel sorry for her. Most of us don't start out the day thinking they would like to kill someone. However, I feel more sorry for the guy she shot.
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I find it hard to feel sorry for someone who can't feel anymore. I'm more sorry for his family, and want her to be punished to police officers don't feel invincible when they **** up like this.
 
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