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Man shot, killed by off-duty Dallas police officer who walked into wrong apartment p3

It is simply highly improbable that Amber Guyger did not realise that she was not in her apartment before she shot Botham. Based on the videos of the layout of furniture and other equipment in her apartment and Botham's and that his 50 inch TV was on she would have to see that she was in the wrong apartment.

As soon as she opened the door, with the 50 inch tv on, there would be sufficient lighting to recognise the living room area was not hers.
 
dejudge said:
It is simply highly improbable that Amber Guyger did not realise that she was not in her apartment before she shot Botham. Based on the videos of the layout of furniture and other equipment in her apartment and Botham's and that his 50 inch TV was on she would have to see that she was in the wrong apartment.

As soon as she opened the door, with the 50 inch tv on, there would be sufficient lighting to recognise the living room area was not hers.
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Maybe the man was an anti-thief, and brought entirely new furniture to her appartment. The bastard!
 
dejudge said:
It is simply highly improbable that Amber Guyger did not realise that she was not in her apartment before she shot Botham. Based on the videos of the layout of furniture and other equipment in her apartment and Botham's and that his 50 inch TV was on she would have to see that she was in the wrong apartment.

As soon as she opened the door, with the 50 inch tv on, there would be sufficient lighting to recognise the living room area was not hers.
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Forget the lighting. Did she even have a 50-inch TV at that spot in her unit?
 
dejudge said:
It is simply highly improbable that Amber Guyger did not realise that she was not in her apartment before she shot Botham. Based on the videos of the layout of furniture and other equipment in her apartment and Botham's and that his 50 inch TV was on she would have to see that she was in the wrong apartment.

As soon as she opened the door, with the 50 inch tv on, there would be sufficient lighting to recognise the living room area was not hers.
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A question popped into my mind as I read this. Does she own a 50 inch, or similar size, tv? And is her tv located in the same relative position as the one of the guy she shot? If not, the tv size or location should have been an early clue.
 
dejudge said:
It is simply highly improbable that Amber Guyger did not realise that she was not in her apartment before she shot Botham. Based on the videos of the layout of furniture and other equipment in her apartment and Botham's and that his 50 inch TV was on she would have to see that she was in the wrong apartment.

As soon as she opened the door, with the 50 inch tv on, there would be sufficient lighting to recognise the living room area was not hers.
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I really do think she thought she was at her apartment, but I think it is an unreasonable belief by the time she drew her gun. It can not be reasonable to take a life without even verifying where you are and who the person is, especially if the entire shooting depends on where you are and who the person is. Except maybe it will be in Texas, I don't know.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I really do think she thought she was at her apartment, but I think it is an unreasonable belief by the time she drew her gun. It can not be reasonable to take a life without even verifying where you are and who the person is, especially if the entire shooting depends on where you are and who the person is. Except maybe it will be in Texas, I don't know.
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I hope the prosecution will pound the fact that she was not acting as a police officer, and ask the jury whether it would be reasonable and lawful for a civilian to enter someone else's home and kill him, even if she was tired.
 
Link to the reporters twitter account. You don't need a twitter account to see it, but if you scroll down a bit he has a picture of Amber's apartment from the same exact view.

Not only is there a table with extremely bright flowers on it, but the counter is way cleaner than Jeans.

She has a TV in that location, but it's a 32" by my guess, and it's up much higher.
 
Bob001 said:
I hope the prosecution will pound the fact that she was not acting as a police officer, and ask the jury whether it would be reasonable and lawful for a civilian to enter someone else's home and kill him, even if she was tired.
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Which has also pretty much been blown out of the water. She was making plans on her phone for later in the evening, and I assure you they weren't to go to bed. Though the bed would be in use.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I really do think she thought she was at her apartment, but I think it is an unreasonable belief by the time she drew her gun. It can not be reasonable to take a life without even verifying where you are and who the person is, especially if the entire shooting depends on where you are and who the person is. Except maybe it will be in Texas, I don't know.
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Seconded.
 
Belz... in last part of thread. said:
quadraginta said:
Is there some reason the jury can't find for a lesser offense?
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Not sure why you asked, since I said I think they should get her for a lesser offense than murder. :)
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My mistake, I suppose. The way your post was worded it gave me the impression that you considered lesser offences to be excluded.

No biggy.

I was just wondering if, indeed, they were in this case.
 
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quadraginta said:
My mistake, I suppose. The way your post was worded it gave me the impression that you considered lesser offences to be excluded.

No biggy.

I was just wondering if, indeed, they were in this case.
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Depends on the judge's instructions, based on prosecution and defense arguments. Not automatic either way.
 
plague311 said:
Link to the reporters twitter account. You don't need a twitter account to see it, but if you scroll down a bit he has a picture of Amber's apartment from the same exact view.

Not only is there a table with extremely bright flowers on it, but the counter is way cleaner than Jeans.

She has a TV in that location, but it's a 32" by my guess, and it's up much higher.
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Thanks. The tv size/location is probably not at the top of the list of things she should have noticed.
 
Steve said:
Thanks. The tv size/location is probably not at the top of the list of things she should have noticed.
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To me, in no order of importance, the things she should have noticed:

  • The key fob she put in the door flashing red and not making the audible noise
  • The door being ajar when hers doesn't (or at least has never been mentioned) to have the same issue
  • The bright ass flowers sitting immediately in front of the door in Amber's apartment, not in Jean's
  • The bright ass red mat in front of Jean's door
  • The carpet\rug on the floor that Jean had and Amber didn't

All of those are previous to, or at the same time of, her pulling her gun and shooting Jean. None of that is after the fact.
 
Someone mentioned the pic of Jean in the court room. It's day 4 and the picture is still there, and the news station is zooming in on it. I don't think the courts have any issue with it.
 
If there are any Mom's on the jury, who have children that they've told to clean up their mess, and they saw the pile of clothes on the chair. Then she is getting acquitted.
 
Drewbot said:
If there are any Mom's on the jury, who have children that they've told to clean up their mess, and they saw the pile of clothes on the chair. Then she is getting acquitted.
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Not after those mothers found out that Guyger was such a slut.
 
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