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The Trump Presidency: Sweet/Sweat 16

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bruto said:
I've mentioned this elsewhere, and agree entirely. Of course the insertion of the gratuitious phrase "under God" as done under Eisenhower as a sop to the anti-communists, to distinguish us from those godless Russians, which is bad enough but it also vitiates the otherwise fairly plain pro-union phrase "one nation, indivisible." The original form of the pledge was not actually even US specific, and I think it amusing that flag-idolatrous patriots solemnly intone the words originally written by a socialist to be applied to any country.

I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of a pledge of allegiance, but as performed in schools it is devoid of meaning. Every day students drone it without understanding, a trivial commonplace of the school day, and grow up believing one need not think about what one is saying, just wave the damned flag. Or hug it with a **** eating grin like our president who thinks it has blue stripes.

If they are going to pledge, I think first someone should teach them what it all means, and let them decide whether it's something they think worth doing, and then do it with their eyes open once a year.
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When I was teaching, I managed to "forget" to have my students say the pledge. No one ever brought it up. They kids certainly didn't mind not doing it. As an atheist, I damned well was not going to say "under God". My view: if someone wants to invoke God, let 'em do it at home on their own time. It doesn't belong in a public school with a myriad of religious or non-religious beliefs present.
 
I think requiring pledges to the country is rather creepy, unless that person is going into a government job.
 
Bogative said:
I just watched footage from the stadium in Houston. It was like looking at a sea of white supremacist. Worse than Nuremberg!
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What you saw was a sea of brown supremacists comprised of Hindu upper castes who have a very similar attitude towards the lower castes, tribal communities and other non-Hindus. In fact their favourite insult towards converts to Christianity is "Rice bag", referring to the bags of rice provided to poor dalits (tribal communities) by christian groups. They identify very well with the philosophy of "racial superiority" that the deplorables espouse.
 
Aridas said:
And it continues...

Rudy Giuliani says state department asked him 'to go on a mission' to Ukraine

Looks like Pompeo just got pulled into view.
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The snow ball keeps on rolling.

The Hill: Seven Freshman Democrats pen op-ed urging Congress to impeach Trump if new allegations are true
The call occurred around the same time the Trump administration moved to freeze $250 million in military aid to Ukraine, raising speculation from some lawmakers about whether the president used the aid as leverage in the talks. The president earlier this month released the aid after lawmakers raised concerns.

"He allegedly sought to use the very security assistance dollars appropriated by Congress to create stability in the world, to help root out corruption and to protect our national security interests, for his own personal gain," the lawmakers wrote. "These allegations are stunning, both in the national security threat they pose and the potential corruption they represent."
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Bolton's name has come up advising Trump what he was doing crossed the line. And then Bolton was gone.
 
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Aridas said:
And it continues...

Rudy Giuliani says state department asked him 'to go on a mission' to Ukraine

Looks like Pompeo just got pulled into view.
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See, this is at the crux of almost all Trump scandals: Gulliani gets to switch between Personal Lawyer to the President and Special Envoy whenever it suits him - this is completely illegal. He is either braking the law by dealing with foreign governments whilst being a private person, or he is subject to full Congressional Oversight as a member of the Administration - including Security clearance checks.
Looks like Trump is covering for Rudi in this case, which should make it easy for Congress to grill him - with his frequent TV appearances, he has already waived all confidentially privileges.
 
Trump says he would get a Nobel Prize for a lot of things if they gave them out fairly, which they don't apparently
 
Trump Retweeted

CSPAN
@cspan
Q: "You can authorize to release the transcript. Will you do that?"

President Trump: "I can do it very easily, but I'd rather not do it from the standpoint of all of the other conversations I have. I may do it, 'cause it was a very innocent call."

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1176210648189100032 (video in link)
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Retweeted

CSPAN
@cspan
Q: "You can authorize to release the transcript. Will you do that?"

President Trump: "I can do it very easily, but I'd rather not do it from the standpoint of all of the other conversations I have. I may do it, 'cause it was a very innocent call."

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1176210648189100032 (video in link)
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and there goes any claim of need to protect the call for security reasons...
 
Trump Tweets

She seems like a very happy young girl looking forward to a bright and wonderful future. So nice to see!

WIRED
@WIRED
”People are suffering, people are dying, entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth.” Watch Greta Thunberg speak at the UN Monday morning. https://wired.trib.al/VXdAnKt
 
Trump Tweets

“@FoxNews bombshell information reports that the so-called Whistleblower did not have firsthand knowledge of that phone conversation with Ukraine’s President.”
Wow! @HARRISFAULKNER It is all a Democrat/Adam Schiff Scam! Doing this for 3 years now, and found NOTHING!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

She seems like a very happy young girl looking forward to a bright and wonderful future. So nice to see!

WIRED
@WIRED
”People are suffering, people are dying, entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth.” Watch Greta Thunberg speak at the UN Monday morning. https://wired.trib.al/VXdAnKt
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What an *******.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Retweeted

CSPAN
@cspan
President Trump: "I think I'll get a Nobel prize for a lot of things,"

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1176194996116086784 . (video in link)
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Let me see if I've got this straight ...

Trump tweeted "I think I'll get a Nobel prize..."

cspan retweeted that

Trump retweeted their retweet

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Has he ever retweeted his own retweet? Or are there Twitter systems in place to prevent that?
 
Trump didn't tweet it originally, he retweeted an interview from CSPAN where he says it.
 
Oh... and then there's this.

"Joe Biden and his son are corrupt," he spewed. "But the fake news doesn't want to report it because they're Democrats. If a Republican ever did what Joe Biden did, if a Republican ever said what Joe Biden said, they'd be getting the electric chair by right now." The electric chair. Maybe it's that prospect that's got him so worked up.

He ended by almost screaming at the press corps, "You're all crooked as hell." Then, barely taking a beat, he concluded with, "Okay thank you very much, I hope you enjoyed it."
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Well... we can tell what was on his mind, I think. He's fairly certainly done enough to warrant an unpleasant sit in an electric chair, after all, very much unlike Biden. Still, I find myself wondering if his Ukraine worries have anything to do with the way that Ukraine just suddenly stopped cooperating with Mueller after getting a weapons shipment - and thus whether that simply was an earlier case of... exactly what's going on this time. Trump leveraging US foreign policy for personal gain.

Similarly, there's also the question of whether the diversion of $700-$800 million away from US defenses against Russian aggression in eastern Europe to the not even remotely unclimbable wall budget involves quid pro quo with Russia, too.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump says he would get a Nobel Prize for a lot of things if they gave them out fairly, which they don't apparently
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“They gave one to Obama immediately after his ascent to the presidency, and he had no idea why he got it,” Trump said. “You know what, that was the only thing I agreed with him on.”

Obama penis envy (OPE) is a debilitating disorder afflicting 1 out of 45 American presidents. For the record, the Nobel committee said why they were giving Obama the prize: “extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between people," and specifically for taking a leadership role in denuclearization and climate change abatement. Obama's efforts resulted in the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris Agreement on climate change. Obviously, it would be only fair to give Trump a prize for undoing those things.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

“@FoxNews bombshell information reports that the so-called Whistleblower did not have firsthand knowledge of that phone conversation with Ukraine’s President.”
Wow! @HARRISFAULKNER It is all a Democrat/Adam Schiff Scam! Doing this for 3 years now, and found NOTHING!
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Does he think his followers are idiots (okay, don't answer that - he knows they are) and haven't read the news that stated that the whistleblower got it from a transcript or recording? Literally NO ONE has claimed that the WB was in the room or on the party line.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Does he think his followers are idiots (okay, don't answer that - he knows they are) and haven't read the news that stated that the whistleblower got it from a transcript or recording? Literally NO ONE has claimed that the WB was in the room or on the party line.
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That's the basis of BrooklynBaby's claim that there is "no whistleblower" -- that he/she is not technically a whistleblower because, without direct evidence, it's just "hearsay." That seems to be working, so yes, Trump knows his followers well.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
and there goes any claim of need to protect the call for security reasons...
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Don't be silly he said that 5 minutes ago, you can't assume that's still his excuse for not releasing the transcript.

Perhaps what he can do is add it onto the end of the press conference that he will use to address his wife's employment history in the USA, think that must be due soon, he said it would be a couple of weeks.
 
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