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Craig B said:
It is the end of the superpower, but not, I confidently believe, of the English nation. This constitutional mess will be surmounted sooner or later.
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Yes, but how much suffering before this happens?

My own country had a similar "Constitutional Mess" back in the 1860's, and it was surmounted, but at a horrendous cost ,and we are still feeling the effects today.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Agreed. My apologies for making light of the seriousness if the situation in the US. Of course, if Boris saw utility in going down that path, I'm not convinced his good nature would be sufficient to stop him.
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What is this "good nature" of which you speak? His buffoonery is a just a front to hide his true nature, which is that of a totally self-serving ****.
 
You know I'm beginning to wonder if when Johnson say he won't be deterred from Brexit maybe he literally means just himself. Perhaps the plan is to jet off to Washington on October 31st and beg Trump to reinstate his US citizenship? It would make as much sense as his other proposals, though it would have potentially tragic consequences for our US posters as I think since he was born in New York he could run for President?
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Agreed. My apologies for making light of the seriousness if the situation in the US. Of course, if Boris saw utility in going down that path, I'm not convinced his good nature would be sufficient to stop him.
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I'm surprised you guys don't think it's already bad enough with EU citizens being denied residency on spurious grounds
 
dudalb said:
Yes, but how much suffering before this happens?

My own country had a similar "Constitutional Mess" back in the 1860's, and it was surmounted, but at a horrendous cost ,and we are still feeling the effects today.
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There are some eerie similarities. Scotland and Northern Ireland may well end by seceding from the Union, like the Carolinas in 1861, but I can't see any thing equivalent to Fort Sumter waiting to be bombarded by Scottish secessionist cannon. Though of course violent secession is more probable in N Ireland.

And to think, about a hundred years ago in the 1920s the UK was ruler of a quarter of the planet; the largest empire ever recorded. Now the Empire is gone. The post imperial European alliance is being abandoned by England, and even the UK itself is in danger of falling to bits.
 
Garrison said:
You know I'm beginning to wonder if when Johnson say he won't be deterred from Brexit maybe he literally means just himself. Perhaps the plan is to jet off to Washington on October 31st and beg Trump to reinstate his US citizenship? It would make as much sense as his other proposals, though it would have potentially tragic consequences for our US posters as I think since he was born in New York he could run for President?
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They are already there. Johnson might be even an improvement…
 
Garrison said:
You know I'm beginning to wonder if when Johnson say he won't be deterred from Brexit maybe he literally means just himself. Perhaps the plan is to jet off to Washington on October 31st and beg Trump to reinstate his US citizenship? It would make as much sense as his other proposals, though it would have potentially tragic consequences for our US posters as I think since he was born in New York he could run for President?
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Which would create a real problem for Trump since Boris is a "birthright" citizen,and Trump has vowed to put an end to birthright citizenships.
 
Boris now saying he is going to get a deal in Ten Days.
I hear a lot of laughter in EU offices over that.....
 
Craig B said:
England will still be a nation, a small modest Northern European nation, like Sweden, which also was once a great imperial power, at war with Russia and so on. There is no shame or harm in being a minor state, if it is content to be in alliance with other minor states, which at the present time England is not, I admit.
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You seem to have a delusion that England is a greater nation than Sweden.
 
Garrison said:
You know I'm beginning to wonder if when Johnson say he won't be deterred from Brexit maybe he literally means just himself. Perhaps the plan is to jet off to Washington on October 31st and beg Trump to reinstate his US citizenship? It would make as much sense as his other proposals, though it would have potentially tragic consequences for our US posters as I think since he was born in New York he could run for President?
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Trump and Steve Bannon need him here in Europe to build a right-wing dictatorship.
 
dudalb said:
Which would create a real problem for Trump since Boris is a "birthright" citizen,and Trump has vowed to put an end to birthright citizenships.
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What? So how will citizenship be tested? ATM it is jus solis (soil) place of birth, as in France. How could it revert to jus sanguinis (blood) without a great deal of confusion and disruption?

AIUI BoJo is of Turkish/Lithuanian Jewish descent but born in the USA.
 
Finland thinks there will be a 'no-deal' Brexit:

I made very clear to (Prime Minister Boris Johnson) there is no possibility to get a new deal.
Antti Rinne
FINLAND’S PRIME MINISTER
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HELSINKI, FINLAND – A no-deal Brexit looks likely, Finland’s Prime Minister Antti Rinne told CNBC Friday, though he is still hopeful that both sides of the English Channel will have good relations going forward.

The U.K.’s departure from the European Union is a constant source of concern for European leaders as the exit date approaches without any clear agreement on future relations. In such a scenario, and without being granted further time beyond the October 31 deadline, there would be a no-deal Brexit – meaning trade would immediately be done with higher tariffs imposed by both sides.

When asked about the probability of a no-deal Brexit, Antti Rinne told CNBC: “I will say that now it seems that it’s going to happen, and we need to accept that it’s going to happen, but I hope that we can reach a situation where we can together, with British and EU27, to create a better world…”
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“I made very clear to (Prime Minister Boris Johnson) there is no possibility to get a new deal,” Rinne said about a phone call with his U.K. counterpart conducted “some weeks ago.”

When asked if he would be willing to grant another extension to the U.K. to sort out Brexit, Rinne said “it seems there is no interest to get more extension to this situation,” provided that there is no new solution.

“I hope if (Johnson) is going to ask for more time it means that he has something to say. How we can solve the situation after this time? – that’s a big question for us in all the EU27,” he added.

Finland is currently holding the EU’s rotating presidency – meaning that it has a key role in shaping the European agenda. Rinne told CNBC that he hopes climate and migration will be the biggest topics until the end of the year, but conceded “I think Brexit is going to be the biggest question.”
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/13/finland-pm-antti-rinne-warns-no-deal-brexit-seems-likely.html

The EU leaders have made it clear they are not going to change the deal negotiated between Barnier and May. Some believe that because the UK is important to Germany there might be some Norway-style soft Brexit. After all, the UK Parliament has 'banned' a no-deal, which however, unfortunately is the EU legal default as of 31 October 2019.
 
Vixen said:
Finland thinks there will be a 'no-deal' Brexit:
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I agree with Finland - unfortunately :(

Any kind of deal will find it very difficult to pass Parliament because a number of the nominally Brexit-supporting MPs will oppose it. A Norway-style deal will be opposed by the ERG and other arch-Brexiteers as being Brexit in name only - in fact for them it's no-deal or nothing. OTOH many of the soft-Brexiteers are opposed to Theresa May's deal because it takes the UK out of the customs union. The only reason that no-deal is on still on the cards is because it's the default (a good bit of work there by the ERG and their friends).

No Brexit is the single most popular option among the electorate, with support over 50% but repealing article 50 is politically impossible.

I've been banging on for a couple of years now saying that the only two possible outcomes from this are no-deal and no Brexit and that as the default, and in the absence of a parliament who are willing to put country before party, no-deal is a nailed on certainty :mad:

We're going to irreparably damage the UK in order to satisfy a small group of extremist MPs and a comparatively small (but very important to the Conservative Party) proportion of the UK electorate. EU Democratic Deficit indeed.
 
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Vixen said:
You seem to have a delusion that England is a greater nation than Sweden.
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The GDP of the UK makes it the 5th or 6th largest in the world, depending on who's doing the counting. The GDP of Sweden makes it the 22nd. The economy of the UK is 5-6 times larger than that of Sweden.

I think Sweden is a better nation than the UK in several ways, but in terms of economy the UK is bigger than Sweden, at the moment.

How true that is in 10-20 years remains to be seen, but we seem determined to jump off that cliff as quickly and thoroughly as possible.
 
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UK to REVOKE Article 50 in 2019
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