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The Trump Presidency: Sweet/Sweat 16

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Which is why I think they will hold hearings, get out plenty of dirt on Trump, but never actually bring up impeachment for a vote.
The trap is too apparent.
An acquittal in the Senate would be a huge boost for Donnie.
 
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kellyb said:
Warren appeals to a lot of moderates. She's the "I'm a capitalist to my bones" candidate. :)

She + Sanders have a lot larger share of the vote than Biden, and if Sanders withdraws at convention (since Biden's not even close to getting over 50% of the vote, it's almost definitely going to be a contested convention) a lot (most? almost all?) of his delegates could go to her.

She beats Trump 51% to his 44% according to the most recent hypothetical matchup polls on 538.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/
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I think Warren is electable;I think she can come off as a moderate.
Bernie does not have a chance in hell of doing that. He just cannot keep from trying to relive his days as a 1960's radical.
And I would write off Biden so quickly.
 
dudalb said:
I think Warren is electable;I think she can come off as a moderate.
Bernie does not have a chance in hell of doing that. He just cannot keep from trying to relive his days as a 1960's radical.
And I would write off Biden so quickly.
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The Bernie is radical meme. :thumbsup:
 
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Bernie does not have a chance in hell of doing that. He just cannot keep from trying to relive his days as a 1960's radical.....
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I see the same thing when I hear him rant that some movement of young voters is how he will win.

In your dreams, Bernie.
 
dudalb said:
Which is why I think they will hold hearings, get out plenty of dirt on Trump, but never actually bring up impeachment for a vote.
The trap is too apparent.
An acquittal in the Senate would be a huge boost for Donnie.
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You know, I keep seeing this idea a lot of different places, and it is obviously the conventional "wisdom" of the chattering classes and enough Democrats to stifle Impeachment. But try as I might, I really don't see how that would work. I just don't see any voters out there who are not already in the Trump camp who would suddenly say "Wow! Trumps toadies in the Republican Senate voted against impeachment! I wasn't going to vote Trump, but I sure am now!".

On the other hand, I can imagine low information voters who might think, "Well, the Democrats didn't vote to impeach Trump, so he can't be that bad." Hell, you just know that Trump will say something like that if he hasn't already.
 
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You know, I keep seeing this idea a lot of different places, and it is obviously the conventional "wisdom" of the chattering classes and enough Democrats to stifle Impeachment. But try as I might, I really don't see how that would work. I just don't see any voters out there who are not already in the Trump camp who would suddenly say "Wow! Trumps toadies in the Republican Senate voted against impeachment! I wasn't going to vote Trump, but I sure am now!".
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Well, the president’s response will be “the Senate vote proves I am innocent and therefore the Dems brought the charges for purely political reason; they attacked me the only way they knew how. See how morally bankrupt the Dems are.”

I think there might be some in the center who might lap that up and decide they cannot support a party that had nothing but bureaucratic attCks.
 
Ladewig said:
Well, the president’s response will be “the Senate vote proves I am innocent and therefore the Dems brought the charges for purely political reason; they attacked me the only way they knew how. See how morally bankrupt the Dems are.”

I think there might be some in the center who might lap that up and decide they cannot support a party that had nothing but bureaucratic attCks.
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I disagree. Anyone out there who would automatically believe Trump and a Republican Senate over the Democratic House is probably already a Trump supporter anyway. It might energize the GOP base, but if there are any undecided voters out there (and that is a big if) I don't see why they would automatically break Trump.

And failing to vote to impeach Trump for any or all of his shenanegans could lead to a depressed turnout among the Democratic base. I really don't see how "keeping our powder dry, verse 453,783" is a smart political move.
 
Timing could be the key to resolving that debate.

If the Dems pick the right time, Donny could be mired in an ugly impeachment situation right in the middle of his own campaigning and voting season. Then nothing much can be done to kill it off quickly, and the voters will be confronted with a presidential candidate who could quite possibly be going to jail rather than back into office.
 
plague311 said:
It seems like we're saying that about every election. I agree with what you're saying though.
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Unfortunately. I actually miss the Romney versus Obama times. Sure, Romney was a ********, but he was at least a somewhat respectable ********. I wouldn't have been happy with him as President, but I would also be much less likely to believe that he was actively trying to destroy the US or be supportive of such. Sadly, I can no longer say that of the Republicans in the present day.

plague311 said:
Because that's what grown ups do...
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It gets easier to rationalize if one considers the GOP leaders to be mentally at the age of 7 or so. They're certainly not doing much to convince me otherwise.

dudalb said:
I think Warren is electable;I think she can come off as a moderate.
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Warren is my first choice, by a large margin, at this point, but I'm not sure that "moderate" is ever going to be a particularly good fit, given what "moderate" is, at present. Warren has made it quite clear, though, that she's smart, responsive, hard-working, and motivated to fight for the American people like she's been doing hard for quite a while now.

dudalb said:
Bernie does not have a chance in hell of doing that. He just cannot keep from trying to relive his days as a 1960's radical.
And I would write off Biden so quickly.
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I don't really want either Bernie or Biden, though I wouldn't write either off, despite their baggage. And either would be wildly better than Trump, of course.

Anyways... random news time.


Justice Sotomayor warns the Supreme Court is doing “extraordinary” favors for Trump

The Trump administration thinks the court is its personal fixer. The court isn’t doing much to disabuse it of this idea.

Which, well, gets back to the problems with politicizing the courts.

Trump Administration Rolls Back Clean Water Protections

Even further, this time, of course.

The rollback of the 2015 measure, known as the Waters of the United States rule, adds to a lengthy list of environmental rules that the administration has worked to weaken or undo over the past two and a half years.

Those efforts have focused heavily on eliminating restrictions on fossil fuel pollution, including coal-fired power plants, automobile tailpipes and methane emissions, but have also touched on asbestos and chemical hazards like pesticides.

An immediate effect of the clean water repeal is that polluters will no longer need a permit to discharge potentially harmful substances into many streams and wetlands. But the measure, which is expected to take effect in a matter of weeks, has implications far beyond the pollution that will now be allowed to flow freely into waterways.

The Obama administration implemented the rule in response to a Supreme Court decision that opened the door to a more expansive legal definition of “waters of the United States” under the 1972 Clean Water Act. With Thursday’s announcement, the Environmental Protection Agency is aiming to drastically narrow that definition, a move that critics fear could be difficult for future administrations to undo because the ideological balance of the Supreme Court has shifted to the right.

Patrick Parenteau, a professor of environmental law at the Vermont Law School, said that, for conservative states and leaders who hold the view that the Clean Water Act has been burdensome for farmers and industry, “this is an opportunity to really drive a stake through the heart of federal water protection.”
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Time for the average life expectancy of US residents to drop further, apparently.

Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

The likely Israeli spying efforts were uncovered during the Trump presidency, several former top U.S. officials said.

Naturally, though, in response...

Trump says he doesn't believe Israel is spying on U.S.

In other news, there were some oddities when it came to the NC special election. For example -

But in a curious new twist, just before airtime today, another anomaly came to light, as shared with us by a listener that I detailed here with screenshots and video. As I break down at that link, video from MSNBC's coverage on Tuesday reveals that McCready, after leading in the vote count throughout the early part of the night after 52% of precincts had come in, was suddenly overtaken by Bishop once 55% of precincts had reported, according to MSNBC's chyron. While that's not unusual, what is unusual is that when it happened, McCready's vote tally actually DECREASED by more than 3,000 votes, even though more votes had supposedly been tallied! After that, Bishop retained a very similar lead for the rest of the night, ultimately "winning" by a margin just under 4,000 votes.

There could, of course, be a good explanation for the vote count appearing to go BACKWARD -- a typo at MSNBC, a transcription error at the SBE, a non-nefarious bad data transfer somewhere along the line -- we just haven't yet been able to figure out what it is yet. Bishop's total also decreased at the same point, but by just over 1,000 votes. If we do figure it out, of course, we'll let you know.
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Also, of particular concern to me, a PA resident -

While PA's Acting Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar, did, in fact, carry out the new examination of the system, as required by statute, apparently she did so in secret, employing the same company closely tied to ES&S that carried out the initially flawed certification testing, and did so in another state entirely (Colorado) with no notice or public oversight for the first time in PA history.

We're joined again today by KEVIN SKOGLUND, Chief Technologist for the Pennsylvania-based Citizens for Better Elections. He is a cybersecurity and voting systems expert and was one of the petitioners who joined us several weeks ago after the state agreed to the new examination. Skoglund, along with other long time election integrity advocates both nationally and in PA are outraged by the secret testing which, he explains, failed to even examine 7 of the petitioners' 10 cited concerns.

"This is the same company that did the initial examination. So, we're asking the people who gave the opinion the first time to give their opinion again. It doesn't really make sense," he tells me. "It's not a second opinion like you might get from a doctor." Moreover, he explains, "This was only a two-day examination. The lab that's doing this is not experienced in cybersecurity penetration testing. This is a voting system test lab that tests for the functionality of voting machines...These things are very technical in nature and they require specialists." In this case, it is a company who is actually paid by the vendor, ES&S, to test their systems.

As to those concerns which the examiners reportedly did bother to review [PDF] (in secret), they confirmed the petitioners' concerns.
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Kathy Boockvar is part of the Democratic Party, to be clear, not that that changes my WTF? reaction to this at all. This kind of behavior makes me want her to be fired immediately and the actual issues dealt with properly and uprightly.
 
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Trump Retweeted

The Trump Organization
@Trump
Proud to announce that @TrumpNewYork has just been named the #1 “Best Hotel in the World!" Congratulations to our remarkable team @TrumpHotels
 
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Rep. Jim Jordan
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Comey:
-Opened Trump-Russia investigation
-Put Peter “we’ll stop Trump” Strzok in charge
-Allowed Dossier to be used
-Leaked memos to get Special Counsel appointed
-Tried to trap the President at Trump Tower meeting
All while telling the President he wasn’t under investigation.


Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee:
-First voted to take away Americans' firearms
-Then voted to impeach the guy we elected President
All in less than 48 hours. And you wonder why people can't stand this town.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Retweeted

The Trump Organization
@Trump
Proud to announce that @TrumpNewYork has just been named the #1 “Best Hotel in the World!" Congratulations to our remarkable team @TrumpHotels
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By serving airmen and even a five star review on Trip Advisor by the Vice President.

Wow!
 
It was a survey by some luxury travel magazine. I have no idea how well regarded it is, compared to some of the more formal travel/accommodation rating organisations.
 
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