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Remembering 9/11...Republican style

In my state legislators passed an open mhttps://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article234962017.htmleeting law that requires cities, counties, school boards etc. to post agenda items publicly at least 24 hours before the fact - no vote can be held without the item being on the agenda. Also, 3 out of 5 supervisors can't get together without it being an open, posted meeting.

However, the Legislature itself is largely exempt from the rules it imposes on other jurisdictions.

ETA: The News Observer ran what appears to be a straightforward piece that includes facts that weren't in the RedState article.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article234962017.html
 
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mgardner said:
wow, some skeptics forum:
https://www.redstate.com/sister-tol...empting-bogus-911-smear-nc-house-republicans/
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theprestige said:
http://speakermoore.com/n-c-house-l...-votes-held-wednesday-budget-veto-overridden/

“No one announced there would be no recorded votes from the chair, or by email, as is the standard procedure in the House when there will not be recorded votes.”

“And again, to the contrary, I explicitly announced there would be recorded votes today. Twice.”​
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And yet for some reason, House Rules Committee Chairman David Lewis didn't think there would be a vote:
Lewis did acknowledge telling a WRAL News reporter via text Tuesday night that there would be no votes at the 8:30 a.m. session. But he said that's because he didn't think there would be any. He wasn't on the floor during the override vote.
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Gosh, I wonder why.

And I'm also struggling with the dilemma of who to believe when Democrats claim Lewis also told them that there would be no vote, which Lewis denies. Despite the fact, of course, that he did tell a WRAL reporter there would be no vote.

I'm just hoping that a couple of Super Skeptics like mgardner and theprestige can explain what happened here.
 
theprestige said:
http://speakermoore.com/n-c-house-l...-votes-held-wednesday-budget-veto-overridden/

“No one announced there would be no recorded votes from the chair, or by email, as is the standard procedure in the House when there will not be recorded votes.”

“And again, to the contrary, I explicitly announced there would be recorded votes today. Twice.”​
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Here's something you might not have known....

There is actually more than 1 part to a working day. Morning and afternoon.

If you tell someone "there will be votes" in a day, but also say "no votes in the morning", its reasonable to assume the votes will be in the afternoon.

Well, assuming the person isn't an unethical scumbag like your typical republican, when they were lying about the morning thing.
 
johnny karate said:
And I'm also struggling with the dilemma of who to believe when Democrats claim Lewis also told them that there would be no vote, which Lewis denies. Despite the fact, of course, that he did tell a WRAL reporter there would be no vote.
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Does it involve time travel?
 
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More like strategy within the ruleset is not a moral issue.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
More like strategy within the ruleset is not a moral issue.
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Lying, however, is a moral issue.

Bluffing and deception is an accepted strategy in various sports and games, such as football, poker, and basketball.

Lying is not an accepted strategy in Congressional functions.

You do realize Congressional functions and Football have different rule sets, don't you? Or do you commonly see American Legislators tackle each other to prevent them from writing bills and such?

"The Bill catches the vote at the podium and is taking off toward the door, heading for the White House. He's at the first aisle, performs a spin move around the minority whip, and then he's to the second aisle, just bowling over the obstructionist party with alacrity, he's at the third, getting a much needed block from the Speaker....Wow, look at that little Bill run! He. Could. Go. All. The. Way!!!"

"He's OUT. THE. DOOR!........TOUCHDOWN!"



It really is as simple as that.
 
Cabbage said:
Lying, however, is a moral issue.

Bluffing and deception is an accepted strategy in various sports and games, such as football, poker, and basketball.

Lying is not an accepted strategy in Congressional functions.
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Yes, it is. (When legal)
 
Minoosh said:
In my state legislators passed an open mhttps://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article234962017.htmleeting law that requires cities, counties, school boards etc. to post agenda items publicly at least 24 hours before the fact - no vote can be held without the item being on the agenda. Also, 3 out of 5 supervisors can't get together without it being an open, posted meeting.

However, the Legislature itself is largely exempt from the rules it imposes on other jurisdictions.

ETA: The News Observer ran what appears to be a straightforward piece that includes facts that weren't in the RedState article.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article234962017.html
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Wow! Great Find! Do you realize that's the article linked in the OP? I've been admonishing people to RTFM since the OP.
 
theprestige said:
I have no opinion about that.
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And yet, here you are. (Not sure that BtC is the role model you want if you're going to pretend to be here to engage in honest debate. Just sayin'.)



JoeMorgue said:
Because at a certain point if you keep handing a chimp a loaded gun and the chimp keeps shooting you with you stop blaming the chimp.
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That's some Premium Grade A victim-blaming you've got going there.

I get it. The whole "OH BUT UR DA REUPBLICANS AND YOU'RE ALWAYS PLAYING THE PATRIOT CARD" is cathartic. It's also a waste of time.
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It's a waste of time to you because you know everything. And it's a waste of time to anyone trying to convert die-hard GOP supporters because they are textbook examples of cognitive dissonance. But to the marginal supporters, it actually works and gets their attention. I think people should continue to point out the hypocrisy and let the voters decide. Giving "other Republicans"(not The Trump, himself) a pass is the worst idea imaginable. You see it as fruitless. I see it as rewarding.
We've been playing "Gotcha" with the GOP over every one of the 50 bazillion bits of hypocrisy they perform in the average day. THEY DON'T CARE.
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We don't care if they don't care. Less than 1/3 of the country identifies as Republican. It's the other 70% we're reminding, as often as possible, what a bunch of lying weasel scumbag hypocrites they're supporting if they vote for them on their lying promises or if they sweep it under the rug as you're proposing.
 
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Segnosaur said:
Correction... Bishop won one congressional district (representing only a tiny fraction of the population of the state), and at a different level of government (federal, not state).

That's hardly a 'voter mandate' or an indication of any sort of widespread approval of the actions of republicans in the state.
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It would seem to be a voter mandate of that district. Many are interpreting the special election results as a preview of NC 2020..........

Chris B.
 
Foolmewunz said:
And yet, here you are. (Not sure that BtC is the role model you want if you're going to pretend to be here to engage in honest debate. Just sayin'.)

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We don't care if they don't care. Less than 1/3 of the country identifies as Republican. It's the other 70% we're reminding, as often as possible, what a bunch of lying weasel scumbag hypocrites they're supporting if they vote for them on their lying promises or if they sweep it under the rug as you're proposing.
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According to Gallup, that's 27% Republican, 29% Democrat and 40% Independents. As we've seen before, many people tend to be secretive or perhaps even misleading when revealing their political views to phone surveys....

Regardless of the numbers, it all depends on where those numbers are located and how many electoral votes they wield........The flyover states have proven they will no longer be ignored, they did it in 2016 and I think we're gonna see landslide numbers in 2020.



https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
 
plague311 said:
I would have to disagree. After this happened most people are not willing to forget it so easily. I would bet that the Dems will put a scout or a staff in there to make sure they know exactly what's going on. Usually trick plays don't have a tendency to work repeatedly.
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Except when a new 'trick play' is hit upon.

So it's come down to 'hall monitors' to have to keep an eye on the little *****. Great.

Somehow I think it better to have ethical humans in the Legislature, and failing that well defined rules to enforce ethical behavior. This throwing up of hands and accepting that increased vigilance against dirty tricks be the new norm doesn't seem congruent with democratic practice.
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Lurch said:
Except when a new 'trick play' is hit upon.

So it's come down to 'hall monitors' to have to keep an eye on the little *****. Great.

Somehow I think it better to have ethical humans in the Legislature, and failing that well defined rules to enforce ethical behavior. This throwing up of hands and accepting that increased vigilance against dirty tricks be the new norm doesn't seem congruent with democratic practice.
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I agree, it's a sad state of affairs to be in but that's what politics has become.
 
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