Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

Status
Not open for further replies.
angrysoba said:
Maybe an attempt to share it, but he can't shift it, so he will take the blame that he has heaped on himself.
Click to expand...

Like his role model, President Trump, Boris Johnson says a lot of mutually exclusive things and doesn't care one tiny bit about being consistent or telling the truth.
 
The Don said:
Like his role model, President Trump, Boris Johnson says a lot of mutually exclusive things and doesn't care one tiny bit about being consistent or telling the truth.
Click to expand...

Trump is insulated from all his ridiculousness by a fan base who laps it up and a GOP that panders to that fan base.

Johnson could face real consequences here that I don't think he wants.
 
angrysoba said:
Trump is insulated from all his ridiculousness by a fan base who laps it up and a GOP that panders to that fan base.

Johnson could face real consequences here that I don't think he wants.
Click to expand...

IMO we have the same here. As long as it looks like he'll deliver a hard, ideally no-deal, Brexit then the readers of the Daily Mail, Daily Express, Sun and Daily Telegraph will continue to swoon over him thanks to the coverage of him in those rags.

Now that the Conservative Party has jettisoned its moderate MPs, it can become what its membership have longed for, the Brexit Party.
 
John Bercow Speaker is pledging to stand down on October 31st (unless a general election is called today) as speaker and MP. And takes a few shots at the Tory government, and Bercow says he makes no apology for seeking to empower Parliament.
 
Bercow to stand down by 31 October
The Speaker of the Commons, John Bercow, says he will stand down either at the next election or at the close of business on Thursday 31 October - whichever comes first.
 
The Don said:
Merely by mentioning it as an option, the government has in effect laid the groundwork for the second.
Click to expand...
It's absurd, and potentially insulting.

As if foreign heads of state and EU officials tasked with consideration of another extension would not understand what conditions led to the request unless they were revealed by a second letter.
 
Lothian said:
If a foreign PM ignored their parliament and sought to enact decisions against parliament's wishes we would talking of invading to restore democracy.
Click to expand...

tbh it would depend on whether of not that PM was an ally. If so, and it was done to prevent an unfriendly opposition doing something against the UK's interest then we'd likely look the other way IMO.
 
Jacob Rees-Mogg is a coward :mad:

A number of MPs have used points of order to criticise the Leader of the House, Jacob Rees-Mogg.

The Tory MP came under fire last week for saying a doctor who has concerns about medical supplies post-Brexit was "as irresponsible as Dr [Andrew] Wakefield", who inaccurately linked the MMR vaccine with autism.

Mr Rees-Mogg later apologised in a statement, but did not make an apology to the Commons - where he made the statement.
Click to expand...



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-...767583909dd0067b21c627&pinned_post_type=share
 
jimbob said:
Ceptimus, you still have not explained how Brexit would be beneficial.
Click to expand...
It doesn't have to be beneficial. It was voted for by a majority in a referendum where the government had promised to implement whatever outcome was voted for.

When the government sends out a leaflet to every household stating, "This is your decision: the government will implement what you decide.", that should mean something - and there should be no going back on the promise.

So far we've seen over three years of obfuscation and delay from our politicians. They seem to think that if they can delay things for long enough, then they'll be able to sneak through the opposite of what was voted for, on the basis that "time has passed so the vote is no longer relevant." I don't think they should be allowed to get away with that.

But of course, they might get away with it - and if the next general election returns a remain-supporting parliament, then they surely will.
 
Last edited:
ceptimus said:
It doesn't have to be beneficial. It was voted for by a majority in a referendum where the government had promised to implement whatever outcome was voted for.

When the government sends out a leaflet to every household stating, "This is your decision: the government will implement what you decide.", that should mean something - and there should be no going back on the promise..
Click to expand...
And that is why it is disgraceful for all those pro brexit MPs who voted to block a deal on leaving the EU. They care nothing for the referendum voters. Oh....wait.... You supported those MPs blocking the deals. Seems you are more than happy to go back on promises when it suits you.
 
Last edited:
ceptimus said:
It doesn't have to be beneficial. It was voted for by a majority in a referendum where the government had promised to implement whatever outcome was voted for.

When the government sends out a leaflet to every household stating, "This is your decision: the government will implement what you decide.", that should mean something - and there should be no going back on the promise.
Click to expand...

That Government is gone. You might remember that David Cameron quit, there was an election, a hung parliament, Theresa May got hounded out and now we have Boris.

Why should anyone be bound by what the two-prime-ministers ago said?
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
That Government is gone. You might remember that David Cameron quit, there was an election, a hung parliament, Theresa May got hounded out and now we have Boris.

Why should anyone be bound by what the two-prime-ministers ago said?
Click to expand...

They should probably be bound by the position each individual took when they were elected.
 
McHrozni said:
Hence why I said BJ has something that looks like a plan, not an actual plan. :o

Of course it won't work. UK is trying to bully someone five times larger and twenty times more stable than itself. If this could work EU would come apart many years ago.

McHrozni
Click to expand...
It's nothing to do with bullying. It's about negotiating. When you go to buy a car, the car dealer is much richer than you, and they hold all the cars! But you make them your offer, and if they don't accept it you walk away. Miraculously, sometimes as you turn to walk out, they change their minds and accept your offer. This is negotiation 101.

You'll never get a good deal buying a car by telling the salesman that you're going to buy it whatever happens, and then asking for the best deal he can offer.
 
Lothian said:
And that is why it is disgraceful for all those pro brexit MPs who voted to block a deal on leaving the EU. They care nothing for the referendum voters. Oh....wait.... You supported those MPs blocking the deals. Seems you are more than happy to go back on promises when it suits you.
Click to expand...
You have a very short memory. We've already been over this. As long as the opposition and DUP voted against the deal, it made no difference whatsoever how any Tory MPs voted.

You may remember that on the third time of asking, Boris and Jacob Rees Mogg both voted in favour of the deal - and still it failed to pass.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom