Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[Nessie]

Ceptimus, here is the list of medicines affected by Brexit.

https://e-surgery.com/brexit-crisis-medication-shortage-list/

Damn, mine is on that list.

 

[Greebo]

Damn, mine is on that list.

So is Mrs Greebo's

None of mine are, but soluble aspirin???? WTF

 

[Ethan Thane Athen]

What you say is simply not true. Boris's team has continued to meet with the EU team at least twice a week. The EU side, so far, haven't shown any signs of being prepared to renegotiate the W.A. they have presented zero new ideas as far as we know. Unless and until they are prepared to renegotiate, we know that the existing W.A. stood no chance of passing the existing UK parliament.

After a general election, if we get a more Remain-supporting government, the EU still won't need to negotiate as they will be confident that the UK will then entirely remain. The Benn Bill has given the EU the incentive now to sit on their hands and wait for Remain - the only chance now for renegotiation is if the general election returns a leave-supporting government with a good working majority.

They have indicated they are very happy to hear alternatives to the backstop - after all, the backstop is there for exactly that reason, ie to cover border control if the 'vaguely alluded to' technical alternatives to having a hard border don't materialise. All Boris has done unfortunately is repeat the 'we'll have a technical solution' and quite reasonably the EU has responded 'Great - give us the details and we can talk.'

 

[Ryokan]

The UK's existing deal with the EU is the most accommodating to any country in the EU and means of all EU members, the UK has the most freedom and fewest tie ins.

The remain side's inability to point that out during the referendum campaign, was a major reason remain lost.

The UK has more exceptions than Norway, and we're not even members.

 

[Wudang]

Dominic Raab explaining that they can't tell the EU about their backstop proposals as they might get leaked and criticized. FFS.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1170610941383385088

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I saw a classic comment on Twitter the other day lamenting that 'all these experts are always Remainers'. It amused me that the person saying it thought it was a argument winning point rather than a clear admission of his own idiocy. 'Everyone who knows what they are talking about disagrees with me'

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Damn, mine is on that list.

Mine too.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Dominic Raab explaining that they can't tell the EU about their backstop proposals as they might get leaked and criticized. FFS.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1170610941383385088

Do you think they actually believe their own BS? They couldn't possibly be THAT stupid could they?

 

[Information Analyst]

Oh yes, people in Britain are grossly unaware of the revolutionary fervour of the country in the period before and after the Great War; the numerous mutinies after the war ended and ci8vil unrest around the country.

Yes, and it's ironic that in many respects, how the government and establishment reacted seems more motivated by what they personally feared the most - i.e. communism - than what the majority workers tended to actually want, i.e. not to be treated quite so crappily, and to be paid fairly.

 

[The Don]

Boris Johnson continues to try and shift the blame for a no-deal Brexit:

A no-deal Brexit would be a "failure" that both the British and Irish governments would be responsible for, Boris Johnson has said.

The prime minister is in Dublin for his first face-to-face meeting with Taoiseach (Irish PM) Leo Varadkar since he entered Downing Street in July.

He said he believed a deal was still possible by the EU summit in October.

I see he's also continuing to lie about whether he's serious about working out a deal. I get the distinct impression that his approach negotiation is waiting for the EU to fold.

 

[Information Analyst]

There is also the government's concern over ex soldiers and all the firearms that were in the country, left over from WWI. It was post 1918 that UK firearms controls were introduced as the government, with general public backing, as it was decided that an unarmed police needs an unarmed public.

Sure, but again that seems to be a "concern" out of all proportion to the real life situation, and the whole thing seems to be Parliamentary theatre for consumption of the "concern" public. When licensing was introduced for firearms (but not shotguns), the Home Office never bothered to collate national statistics of what was registered, so it didn't actually seem that bothered about how many firearms were in circulation.

The only figures reported to Parliament were for the Met - 24,308 in 1921 and 23,874 in 1929 and, if scaled up by the known ratio when national reporting started in 1969, that suggests around 275,000 for the whole of England & Wales, which isn't massively higher than the 216,300 in 1969.

The fact that the firearms amnesties throughout the 1930s only netted just under 39,000 - of which almost three-quarters were pistols, and - suggests that there simply never was anything like the number of unregistered weapons that the government was supposedly afraid were available to would-be "revolutionaries."

 

[ponderingturtle]

His plan was to negotiate a better deal than May. He hasn't been trying to do that.

you don't negotiate a better deal by actually meeting with them and negotiating of course, you do it by lying and grandstanding!

 

[McHrozni]

Boris Johnson continues to try and shift the blame for a no-deal Brexit:

I see he's also continuing to lie about whether he's serious about working out a deal. I get the distinct impression that his approach negotiation is waiting for the EU to fold.

Hm.

Maybe, just maybe he has something that looks like a plan. Put pressure on Ireland and the EU to let go of the backstop, come back, claim victory, fail to have the deal passed again and come back to EU, asking for still more concessions. Continue doing so until EU agrees to all British demands, as promised.

McHrozni

 

[catsmate]

Hm.

Maybe, just maybe he has something that looks like a plan. Put pressure on Ireland and the EU to let go of the backstop, come back, claim victory, fail to have the deal passed again and come back to EU, asking for still more concessions. Continue doing so until EU agrees to all British demands, as promised.

McHrozni

Won't work.

 

[McHrozni]

Won't work.

Hence why I said BJ has something that looks like a plan, not an actual plan.

Of course it won't work. UK is trying to bully someone five times larger and twenty times more stable than itself. If this could work EU would come apart many years ago.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

Looks like government will be suspended later today to allow Boris Johnson and his cronies as much time as possible to find a way not to ask for an extension or to have that request refused. The proposed methods may be familiar to followers of this thread:

One plan reportedly under discussion to get round the Brexit delay legislation is to ask a sympathetic EU member to veto an extension.

Another potential option would be to formally send the extension request mandated by the new law, but also send a second letter to the EU making it clear the UK government does not want one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49630094

 

[Lothian]

Hence why I said BJ has something that looks like a plan, not an actual plan.

Of course it won't work. UK is trying to bully someone five times larger and twenty times more stable than itself. If this could work EU would come apart many years ago.

McHrozni

Apparently Dominic Cummings is very hands on and likes to micro-manage. That is fine for a one topic campaign. It is a lot harder when it comes to running the country, negotiating an all encompassing trade deal and keeping your boss in a job.

I suspect the proroguing is just to allow him to catch up. We can expect a 5 weeks work, 5 weeks prorogue. 5 weeks work, 5 weeks prorogue cycle going forward.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Looks like government will be suspended later today to allow Boris Johnson and his cronies as much time as possible to find a way not to ask for an extension or to have that request refused. The proposed methods may be familiar to followers of this thread:




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49630094

Most lawyers think the second option is illegal.

The first option is of course ACTUALLY colluding with a foreign power instead of what the idiots have branded colluding with a foreign power recently (i.e. talking to the EU)

 

[McHrozni]

Looks like government will be suspended later today to allow Boris Johnson and his cronies as much time as possible to find a way not to ask for an extension or to have that request refused. The proposed methods may be familiar to followers of this thread:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49630094

You know what would be extra funny?

If UK asked a country (say, Hungary) that, then Hungary would say yes sure and then when the letter was sent normally they renegaded on the offer and made the BJs beg public.

Claim "he knew what he was getting" as justification. BJ and his Brexiteers would understand.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

Most lawyers think the second option is illegal.

The first option is of course ACTUALLY colluding with a foreign power instead of what the idiots have branded colluding with a foreign power recently (i.e. talking to the EU)

Merely by mentioning it as an option, the government has in effect laid the groundwork for the second.