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The Trump Presidency: Sweet/Sweat 16

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Baylor said:
Americans aren't concerned with what myths third world people believe about the US. The US isn't perfect and never will be but we're happy it's not a ****hole like Turkey, the most racist, anti-semitic country on the planet according to the ADL.
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Learn to read for comprehension, bro. No one but you is talking about "what myths third world people believe about the US".

Indeed, the fact that you brought it up out of the blue makes me suspect that, to the contrary, you at least are concerned with "what myths third world people believe about the US".
 
Venom said:
This.

For the tenth time, the "establishment" faction of the Democratic Party, if you like, have been functionally centrist for a good two decades, perhaps longer. Their rule has been compromise first, fight second, no matter how obstructive the GOP is. They've perpetually had one foot out the door.

Progressive social views have been adopted by many top Democrats, but fiscally they are just a peg left of the Republicans. Actual progressives on both counts have only recently emerged in the mainstream.
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Yes, BUT...
I actually think it might be good for "the left" if there actually was an openly centrist third party.

1) It would suck some of the air out of the GOP, for one thing.

2) Some of the most vocal and vehement open centrist defecting to the party could open up space for the Democratic Party to truly swing back left to the party of FDR, too, maybe.

3) Because it would be centrist, it wouldn't have the dead-end, "doomed out of the gate" problem of the spoiler effect like a hypothetical "left of the democrats" third party would. So, it could actually happen.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Yes, societies are built on imperfect negotiated rules and concepts. America would do well to conduct these negotiations with at least the appearance of honesty and good faith. However it looks now almost an impossible task to get back to the notion of government by the people for the people instead of by corporations for the one percent. America was a nice idea.
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You mean the Utopia that Adam Smith et al had yearned for has not come to pass? Say it ain't so!



kellyb said:
Yes, BUT...
I actually think it might be good for "the left" if there actually was an openly centrist third party.
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lol
It would be good for "the planet" if there was an openly left [anything] at all, more like.
 
I swear this feels like a true-to-life episode of The Office...

Michael Scott - Trump
Dwight - Trump voters
Jim - everyone that sees Trump for the moron he truly is.
 
alfaniner said:
Wouldn't it be great if it was the 'bama thing that actually got him out of office?
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I had a discussion in another thread (the Trump nickname thread) about the core Trump supporters stubborn adherence to the man. I think the only thing that would cleave them from backing him so vehemently is if he were to laughed at by a wide enough slice of people.
Anger at him, ridicule of him, pointing out his dishonesty and anti-factual opinions; all of those things just make him more appealing because they "make Liberals heads explode". But genuinely being seen as ridiculous (as opposed to infuriating), I think, would cause his support to melt into the woodwork from whence it came.
 
ToddH said:
I swear this feels like a true-to-life episode of The Office...

Michael Scott - Trump
Dwight - Trump voters
Jim - everyone that sees Trump for the moron he truly is.
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Early episodes Michael Scott when he was a scum bag that audiences couldn’t empathise with.
 
Baylor said:
Americans aren't concerned with what myths third world people believe about the US. The US isn't perfect and never will be but we're happy it's not a ****hole like Turkey, the most racist, anti-semitic country on the planet according to the ADL.
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You sound salty, bro. Chin up.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It's actually been reminding me of the sitcom trope of the kid who shows up to school with an obviously forged note from home: "Pleaz xcuse Timmy from gym class he busted his leg. Love, Timmy's Mom" or something.
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Are you thinking of "Welcome Back Kotter"?

Dear Mr. Kotter,
Please excuse Juan Epstein from being absent yesterday. He was sick.
Signed,
Epstein's Mother
 
Distracted1 said:
I had a discussion in another thread (the Trump nickname thread) about the core Trump supporters stubborn adherence to the man. I think the only thing that would cleave them from backing him so vehemently is if he were to laughed at by a wide enough slice of people.
Anger at him, ridicule of him, pointing out his dishonesty and anti-factual opinions; all of those things just make him more appealing because they "make Liberals heads explode". But genuinely being seen as ridiculous (as opposed to infuriating), I think, would cause his support to melt into the woodwork from whence it came.
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Agreed.
I propose Alabama Tuesdays. Every Tuesday 5 or 6 Democratic Congressfolk send out tweets about President Trump obviously altering the map. President Trump goes nuts for a day or two. No elected Democrats respond to his comments, and he becomes even angrier. When Democrats appear on Sunday news programs and are asked for a response about President a Trump calling them dummies, they say, “did he? I don’t really read his tweets.” When asked why they are doing it, respond by saying a normal person would ignore the Tuesday tweets. Repeat the circus in the following week.

Or. Just add the Alabama fiasco to the list of amazingly stupid things he has said and keep bringing up each item on the list until the president becomes so bat-**** crazy that his party cannot deny it.
 
pgwenthold said:
The dumbest part of the light bulb change is that the regulations have led to way better LED light bulbs. Brighter than incandescent bulbs for much less power. I love the efficiency bulbs. It is especially helpful now that I am older and need more light. I can replace 750 lumens 40 w bulbs in lamps with 1000 lumens 15 W bulbs
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It's a bit like the car regulations that Trump worked to roll back. Who hates better gas mileage? Big Oil companies, I guess, which, alone, would be enough to explain why the GOP decided to do it. That's before getting to the some of the anti all regulation influence in the GOP.

Skeptic Ginger said:
He can't let it go. :rolleyes:
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Better that than doubling down on the right of his Administration to give death sentences to children. Still, as embarrassing as Trump is for America, this actually somewhat screams "distraction by Trump that's meant to keep attention on Trump" to me. The kind of thing that distracts attention from the illegal things that he and his administration just keep doing.

Distracted1 said:
I had a discussion in another thread (the Trump nickname thread) about the core Trump supporters stubborn adherence to the man. I think the only thing that would cleave them from backing him so vehemently is if he were to laughed at by a wide enough slice of people.
Anger at him, ridicule of him, pointing out his dishonesty and anti-factual opinions; all of those things just make him more appealing because they "make Liberals heads explode". But genuinely being seen as ridiculous (as opposed to infuriating), I think, would cause his support to melt into the woodwork from whence it came.
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Pitying him for being just that pathetic and foolish probably works as an addendum. He needs removed for so very many reasons, and that's just one of them.

kellyb said:
The caption superimposed over the magazine image was false.
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Standard RW propaganda.
 
rdaneel said:
Trump Administration Reverses Standards For Energy-Efficient Lightbulbs
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Perhaps they could advocate candles on the grounds it would boost American wax industry and people should be free to burn their house down without government intervention.

Producers will probably stop making old filament bulbs anyway. That, and the fact that an alternative technology is fully available and cheaper for the user, it can only be for ideological reasons. Another case of trying to roll the clock back to some imagined golden age
 
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1169745754266767360

So it keeps going....

After his 3 pm live shot today, Fox Sr WH correspondent @johnrobertsFox was beckoned to the Oval Office by @realDonaldTrump.

The president had one argument to make: he wasn’t wrong about Alabama. ... 1/7

2/ “He stressed to me that forecasts for Dorian last week had Alabama in the warning cone,” Roberts wrote in an intern Fox email obtained by CNN. “He insisted that it is unfair to say Alabama was never threatened by the storm.”

3/ Roberts’ analysis of the meeting was that the president was “just looking for acknowledgement that he was not wrong for saying that at some point, Alabama was at risk – even if the situation had changed by the time he issued the tweet,” Sunday morning.

4/ The president also provided Roberts with these visual aids to argue his point:

5/ Roberts referred a reporter to Fox News PR when asked for comment. Fox News PR did not immediately respond to a message.

Roberts says he pointed out to the president that by the time of his Sunday 10:51 am ET tweet warning Alabama (as well as other states) of the storm,...

6/ ...the projected trajectory of the storm had moved much farther east and was no longer including any part of Alabama.

Trump “seemed to agree that the forecast track had moved – but he was adamant that at some point, Alabama was at risk,” Roberts wrote.

7/ ”He also reminded that on occasions in the past, forecast tracks have changed dramatically,” Roberts wrote.

It’s Thursday. Bahamians have been killed, Dorian is making its way up the Carolinas, and the president is still fixated on this.

* in tweet 2 that should be “internal” not intern —-
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Images embedded in tweet #4.
 
Trump Tweets

“I think President Trump is set in his ways because he doesn’t see any weakening. I mean, look at the joblessness report today. What I’m surprised at is how strong the consumer is. I think the Chinese need it (a deal) more than we do. It’s statistical. I just think....

....that our economy is very strong. If the Fed would lower rates to where the bond market says they should be, then I really wouldn’t worry about a recession.”
@jimcramer @JoeSquawk
 
varwoche said:
In a death from a thousand cuts, this cut might stand out. It's humiliating, comical, pathetic and doesn't involve pesky details.
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That's my thinking, something utterly trivial that crystallizes all that's wrong with him.
 
varwoche said:
In a death from a thousand cuts, this cut might stand out. It's humiliating, comical, pathetic and doesn't involve pesky details.
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Agree with each and every point.

Seeing reactions from Trump supporters elsewhere, the fallback position seems to be: “A deadly hurricane is in progress, and all the left can think about is attacking and degrading our President over a stupid chart!”

I hold that even - or maybe especially - during an emergency that a leader’s reactions, actions and priorities should be open to analysis and criticism. In this case fixation on defending at all costs a trivially minor slip - mentioning Alabama as at risk - and canceling a trip to Poland due to the emergency and then playing golf. Gives me images of Nero and a fiddle, but supporters will simply say, “But what about _______” and go on their merry way.
 
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