Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[GlennB]

Maybe some people in the UK are thinking that maybe the almost total prohibition on private citizens owning any kind of firearm was not such a great idea after all.....you give up the last resort defense against a dictator.

No.

 

[GlennB]

By a Whitehall civil servant:

"None of us is in any doubt about what’s just happened. This shutting down of accountability may be dressed up in the language of prorogation, and dignified by arcane royal pageantry. But it can’t disguise the smirking, smug sense of reckless entitlement that stinks of the worst kind of Bullingdon Club blowout. This is constitutional vandalism, and everyone knows it.

Yes, yes, we’ve all got outrage fatigue. But I’ve genuinely never seen my colleagues so dismayed, so angry and – somehow worst of all – so disorientated. And after already enduring two rounds of Yellowhammer, that’s saying something. What’s going on?"

link

For those not familiar with what it is, please google Bullingdon Club for yourselves.

 

[ceptimus]

Presumably you feel yourself smugly safe from uncertainty and a hostile environment.

No. I've already suffered as the pound drops. That was inevitable until after Brexit, when I expect the pound to recover. I blame remainer MPs for prolonging the uncertainty and prolonging the pain - we should have left already.

Now the remainers are trying to delay things again - and for no stated purpose. Their unstated purpose is to attempt to thwart Brexit entirely - but most of them are afraid to admit that.

 

[GlennB]

No. I've already suffered as the pound drops. That was inevitable until after Brexit, when I expect the pound to recover. I blame remainer MPs for prolonging the uncertainty and prolonging the pain - we should have left already.

Now the remainers are trying to delay things again - and for no stated purpose. Their unstated purpose is to attempt to thwart Brexit entirely - but most of them are afraid to admit that.

This is an outright lie. Shame on you.

 

[lomiller]

No. I've already suffered as the pound drops. That was inevitable until after Brexit, when I expect the pound to recover.

Highly doubtful. Brexit is expected to cause sharp economic slowdown, which will in turn force the BoE to lower interest rates. This will have the effect of pushing the pound down farther.

 

[Arcade22]

Whitehall sources confirmed that the reason Khan was dismissed on the spot was because she had been in contact with people working with a group of Conservative politicians trying to block a no-deal Brexit, and over the claim that she had lied about her contact with them.

But a source close to her said: “She was asked about her contact with her former colleague, she said she had seen the person socially quite recently in Westminster – hardly some discreet part of London. She was open about it and handed over both her phones. There’s no law about speaking to former colleagues.

“He then said ‘you’re fired’. Sonia is a dyed-in-the-wool Brexiteer, a passionate leaver – she was loyally behind the view of the government and delivery of Brexit.”

It emerged that there were no witnesses to her sacking by Cummings, who spoke to her in an office in Downing Street close to the prime minister’s. A former Whitehall source said: “She wasn’t offered to take anybody with her and she wasn’t told what the meeting was about.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...confronts-boris-johnson-over-advisers-sacking

The revolution eats its own.

 

[Garrison]

This is an outright lie. Shame on you.

Oh come now, by this point surely its clear Ceptimus has no shame? He's repeated the same lies time and again even after they've been exposed, he cares nothing for the economic consequences of Brexit so long as it satisfies his Little Englander mentality.

 

[GlennB]

Oh come now, by this point surely its clear Ceptimus has no shame? He's repeated the same lies time and again even after they've been exposed, he cares nothing for the economic consequences of Brexit so long as it satisfies his Little Englander mentality.

Fair point.

 

[a_unique_person]

In other news:



Javid is seething that Rasputin Cummings summarily fired Javid's media advisor prior to an important announcement. Looks like Cummings is our true leader these days.



And Raab announced a huge support package of £3M (3 quid per expat ) to advise expats on how to best complete their applications for continued residence in the EU; while such applications might be guaranteed to fail, especially given the awful decisions and suffering already being heaped on EU citizens in the UK trying to secure their residence after many years of being solid, valuable citizens.



You actually couldn't make this up, but what I fear is they're going to wash their hands of any expat woes, either way. It meshes nicely with the NHS bombshell they dropped the other day.



I think it's reasonable to be pretty scared, whoever you might be that's caught up in this crap in some way. We seem to have our mini-Goebbels pulling the strings.

According to Cummings "If you don't like my management style you can **** off".

Time to get some popcorn.

 

[a_unique_person]

You left out the ultimate string puller in all of thisutin.

Putin is not a puppet master. He is a strategic stirrer of the pot. With the dysfunctional "take no prisoners, zero sum game, wedge politics, victory at all costs" politics now in vogue in western democracies, it takes little effort to destabilise political systems that have been abused for years now.

 

[ceptimus]

Oh come now, by this point surely its clear Ceptimus has no shame? He's repeated the same lies time and again even after they've been exposed, he cares nothing for the economic consequences of Brexit so long as it satisfies his Little Englander mentality.

Keep with the insults and assertions of lying. A pathetic form of non-critical thinking. Shame on you.

Meanwhile the moaning remainers have no idea what they want - only what they're opposed to. What good will interminable delay do? If you're opposed to no-deal then you have to vote FOR a deal. Continued delay won't make an acceptable deal appear by magic. Do you still want to be having this exact same argument for another year or more (assuming the EU allows it)? If you want to scrap Brexit altogether then say so! Stop lying about it.

 

[jimbob]

Keep with the insults and assertions of lying. A pathetic form of non-critical thinking. Shame on you.

Meanwhile the moaning remainers have no idea what they want - only what they're opposed to. What good will interminable delay do? If you're opposed to no-deal then you have to vote FOR a deal. Continued delay won't make an acceptable deal appear by magic. Do you still want to be having this exact same argument for another year or more (assuming the EU allows it)? If you want to scrap Brexit altogether then say so! Stop lying about it.

I know what I want.

I want a proper democratic mandate for the biggest decision in 50 years.

Leaving with no-deal when the Leave campaign specifically ruled that out doesn't count.

Even if it did, a confirmatory referendum, as proposed by many in the Leave campaign would at least provide Brexit with a mandate - if that is genuinely what the UK public want.

If leavers are confident that the British people are still in favour of Brexit, they should be in favour of another referendum to shut up those of us who say it's undemocratic due to having been advisory only and with major electoral irregularities that the government had accepted would have negated a binding result.

 

[uke2se]

Keep with the insults and assertions of lying. A pathetic form of non-critical thinking. Shame on you.

Meanwhile the moaning remainers have no idea what they want - only what they're opposed to. What good will interminable delay do? If you're opposed to no-deal then you have to vote FOR a deal. Continued delay won't make an acceptable deal appear by magic. Do you still want to be having this exact same argument for another year or more (assuming the EU allows it)? If you want to scrap Brexit altogether then say so! Stop lying about it.

I think most of us have been pretty adamant that we want to scrap the biggest mistake a country has made for a long time, possibly ever.

Then again, there is a sort of morbid fascination in watching a nation destroy itself.

 

[quadraginta]

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In some ways Brexit has totally strengthened the case for Independence although ironically it makes many of the reasons for not being independent worse - e.g. there actually would have to be some kind of border controls between England and Scotland if the UK is outside the EU and Scotland is in it.

That shouldn't present any problem. They can use the same sort of magical not-a-border they're planning for Northern Ireland.

 

[The Don]

In some ways Brexit has totally strengthened the case for Independence although ironically it makes many of the reasons for not being independent worse - e.g. there actually would have to be some kind of border controls between England and Scotland if the UK is outside the EU and Scotland is in it.

I guess it depends on what the post-independence trade deal with the rUK looks like. If Scotland chooses not to, or is unable to, join the EU then it is possible that a customs union with free movement of people could be established. Under those circumstances there would be no need for a hard border at all.

If Scotland joins the EU then yes, it does become more tricky. The good news for Scotland is that the magic border technology will have been trialled on the island of Ireland and all unicorns will be working at 100% efficiency and 100% capacity.

Back in the real world it may cause major challenges for Scotland. As with Ireland, it's not clear whether rUK can be used as a land bridge to the rest of the EU because of delays at English ports and whatever tariff and tax considerations may have to be put in place. Scotland would likely need to significantly upgrade its port infrastructure so that a far greater proportion of EU trade can come directly. This is not necessarily a bad thing in any case.

As with the border on the island of Ireland, it would likely be a smuggler's playground if tariff differences make that kind of thing worthwhile. We could see a return of the border reivers but instead of stealing cattle, they're delivering wine.

 

[Mr Fied]

Keep with the insults and assertions of lying. A pathetic form of non-critical thinking. Shame on you.

Meanwhile the moaning remainers have no idea what they want - only what they're opposed to. What good will interminable delay do? If you're opposed to no-deal then you have to vote FOR a deal. Continued delay won't make an acceptable deal appear by magic. Do you still want to be having this exact same argument for another year or more (assuming the EU allows it)? If you want to scrap Brexit altogether then say so! Stop lying about it.

This is just a wild guess, could it be to remain?

I think you'll find it's the leavers who don't know what they want or else they would have agreed and voted through a solution by now.

 

[Nessie]

First time riot police deployed and used in Scotland;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49526876

A Republican flute band march in Glasgow (Republicans in favour of a united Ireland Roman Catholic) was met by a Loyalist (Nationalists in favour of NI in the UK Protestants) counter demonstration which erupted into violence and for the first time in Scotland, the riot police have been used.

This shows just how high tensions are over the effects of Brexit in Ireland.

 

[Nessie]

Keep with the insults and assertions of lying. A pathetic form of non-critical thinking. Shame on you.

Meanwhile the moaning remainers have no idea what they want - only what they're opposed to. What good will interminable delay do? If you're opposed to no-deal then you have to vote FOR a deal. Continued delay won't make an acceptable deal appear by magic. Do you still want to be having this exact same argument for another year or more (assuming the EU allows it)? If you want to scrap Brexit altogether then say so! Stop lying about it.

I think the point is that

- no one wants no deal
- MPs (all sides) cannot agree on a deal (they are not even close to a consensus even after all these years)

so until that is resolved, we should not leave and yes we should scrap Brexit. Trying to solve the problem by just leaving with no deal is actually the worst case scenario.

It is logical, pragmatic and I think democratic to try and stop worst case scenario.

 

[The Don]

Off to a protest in Bristol the next few minutes.

From the social media chatter, the organisers are a bit worried that rather too many people might turn up.

Of course, because this will be a nice middle-class protest, if we cannot join it, we can all go shopping instead.

 

[jimbob]

Off to a protest in Bristol the next few minutes.

From the social media chatter, the organisers are a bit worried that rather too many people might turn up.

Of course, because this will be a nice middle-class protest, if we cannot join it, we can all go shopping instead.

Off to Manchester likewise.