Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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GlennB said:
"Parliament" can't possibly mean "This group of MPs who emailed around and decided to meet on a summer Sunday afternoon in a pub garden", can it? There has to be a system to let them all know when parliament is in session and where.
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If parliament is the highest authority, and that meeting was parliament, i don't see why they can't. If parliament established the system, parliament can't be held to it.... parliament can't make a stone too heavy for a future parliament to lift.
 
The Don said:
It's not something which is subject to a vote.
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Why?

The implication is that a lower authority has a power it can exercise over the highest authority. Which seems to mean the highest authority is not actually the highest authority.

Also, the intricacies the the queen can provide parliament and not be override but would be overridden if she refused to grant royal assent is a little lost on me.
 
The Don said:
The consensus among constitutional scholars is yes, it does.
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I suppose that Bob is asking, and it is charitable to assume he is sincere here, if the highest authority (Parliament) can be prorogued (by the Queen on the request of the government) why it must obey the Queen/the Government when surely Parliament outranks them both?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Why?
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Precedent, and the UK constitution.

BobTheCoward said:
The implication is that a lower authority has a power it can exercise over the highest authority. Which seems to mean the highest authority is not actually the highest authority.
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Well that' your implication.

An alternative interpretation is that, like what I have for lunch each day, it's something over which Parliament does not have authority.

BobTheCoward said:
Also, the intricacies the the queen can provide parliament and not be override but would be overridden if she refused to grant royal assent is a little lost on me.
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Provide parliament with what ? :confused:
 
angrysoba said:
I suppose that Bob is asking, and it is charitable to assume he is sincere here, if the highest authority (Parliament) can be prorogued (by the Queen on the request of the government) why it must obey the Queen/the Government when surely Parliament outranks them both?
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Then Bob (as (s)he often does) is putting two and two together and making an integer other than four.
 
angrysoba said:
I suppose that Bob is asking, and it is charitable to assume he is sincere here, if the highest authority (Parliament) can be prorogued (by the Queen on the request of the government) why it must obey the Queen/the Government when surely Parliament outranks them both?
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Thank you. I completely get the highest authority having it's power be limited Constitutionally. Highest does not mean unlimited. What I can't wrap my head around is vesting a limitation to be exercised by a lower authority. I can't square that with the concept of parliamentary sovereignty.
 
McHrozni said:
Incidentally, suppose there is a successful VONC one week from today. What happens then?

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Assuming it's o confidence in the government (rather than BoJo) FTPA is invoked; two weeks for a vote of confidence in the government or election. It might be possible to cobble together an alternate government in the interim.
 
angrysoba said:
I suppose that Bob is asking, and it is charitable to assume he is sincere here, if the highest authority (Parliament) can be prorogued (by the Queen on the request of the government) why it must obey the Queen/the Government when surely Parliament outranks them both?
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Yes, I think it's a sort of sensible question. If Parliament is the highest authority how can it be forced to stop its business by a lower authority?

The answer of course is that the Queen is part of Parliament. Which is made up of the Commons, the Lords and the Crown.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Yes, I think it's a sort of sensible question. If Parliament is the highest authority how can it be forced to stop its business by a lower authority?

The answer of course is that the Queen is part of Parliament. Which is made up of the Commons, the Lords and the Crown.
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That....clears it up. Thank you.

But that means part of parliament with authority over prorogation approved prorogation on itself? It was an action by parliament?
 
catsmate said:
Assuming it's o confidence in the government (rather than BoJo) FTPA is invoked; two weeks for a vote of confidence in the government or election. It might be possible to cobble together an alternate government in the interim.
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The Fixed Term Parliament Act two weeks thing won't apply because of the prorogation. So Boris will most likely call a General Election, setting the date just after Brexit day.
 
BobTheCoward said:
That....clears it up. Thank you.

But that means part of parliament with authority over prorogation approved prorogation on itself? It was an action by parliament?
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It was an action of the Crown yes.

One reason why prorogation is not the same as the normal break for conference season (and why people like Ceptimus who say it is are lying) is that prorugation suspends all activity of Parliament including the Lords.

Normally the Lords would continue to have sat during Conference season and normally a lot of parliamentary work would still continue. Prorugation stops everything except constituency work.

If it was 'business as usual' as the liars claim then they wouldn't have done it at all.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Why can't they meet at the same building they always meet?
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I don't think that would be allowed - the chambers of the Houses of Parliament are reserved for when parliament is sitting and can't be hired out to any random group - even if that group does consist of a subset of the MPs who normally work there.

If they could pass a vote to keep parliament in session over the weekend then they could use the venue, of course - but they probably wouldn't want leave-supporting MPs turning up and disrupting procedures. The best way for leaver MPs to have indicative votes amongst themselves is for them to use an alternative venue and have attendance by invitation only.

Groups of MPs do hold meetings in committee rooms at the Houses of Parliament. I don't know whether they're allowed to still use those when parliament is in recess, or whether the rooms are big enough to hold all those who might wish to attend.

Anyway, they managed to use Church House last time, and I'm sure there would be plenty of conference centres, town halls, churches, and such that would be willing to host them - if the remain MPs had the will to do it.
 
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ceptimus said:
The Fixed Term Parliament Act two weeks thing won't apply because of the prorogation. So Boris will most likely call a General Election, setting the date just after Brexit day.
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The act stipulates 14 calendar days. Not sure why prorogation would change that. Provided the VONC happened before parliament is proroged.
 
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